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8 Sep 2017 14:17 |
I've been searching for census information on this lady for ages. Here's what I know.
Florence Ann or Annie Probert, born in July 1887 in Tredegar, parents possibly John and Mary Ann. Possible baptism in Tredegar in August 1887.
She married Benjamin Bevan in 1907 in Bedwellty district. He emigrated to Canada with their son, Jack, in 1929 and never returned. I have details of the voyage.
In 1939 she is living with her daughter, Florrie, in Abergavenny.
She died in Ebbw Vale in 1955.
I have failed to find her on any census after her birth so can anyone please help with that? I bet I've missed something obvious or done something stupid.
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8 Sep 2017 14:45 |
Is this them 1911
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Back of Charles Street Tredegar, Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Benjamin Bevan Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 24 1887 Dukestown Breaconshire Florence A Bevan Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Tredegar Monmouthshire William John Bevan Son - Male - 2 1909 Tredegar Monmouthshire
Married 3 years. 2 children born 1 has died
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8 Sep 2017 14:46 |
Is this the possible for ref please?
1891
Name: Flora Probert Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Probert Mother's name: Mary A Probert Gender: Female Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Merthyr Tydfil Town: Heolwermwd County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4437 Folio: 51 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age John Probert 41 Mary A Probert 41 William J Probert 16 Thomas J Probert 14 Mary E Probert 12 Charles H Probert 9 David L Probert 6 Kate A Probert 6 Flora Probert 4 Pritchard M Probert 2 Thomas D Probert 6/12
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8 Sep 2017 14:48 |
and the marriage you refer to
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%) BEVAN Benjamin Bedwellty 11a 150 <<<<<<<<<<< BRIMBLE Mary Elizabeth Bedwelty 11a 150 DOWNES George Bedwellty 11a 150 JONES Margaret Ann Bedwelty 11a 150 PROBERT Florence Annie Bedwelty 11a 150 <<<<<<<<<< WILLIAMS John Thomas Bedwelty 11a 150
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8 Sep 2017 14:48 |
for ref
Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) Benjamin Last name Bevan Age 20 Birth year 1887 Year 1907 Event Marriage Marriage year 1907 Marriage date 06 Apr 1907 Residence - Father's first name(s) Henry Father's last name Bevan Place Bedwellty County Monmouthshire Country Wales Spouse's first name(s) Florence Annie Spouse's last name Probert Spouse's age 19 Spouse's residence - Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Probert Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Wales, Great Britain
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8 Sep 2017 14:50 |
Thank you so much. I don't know how I missed that. I'm not sure about the Merthyr one, the siblings' names don't fit the information I've been given. I've looked at that one before. Think I'll have another close look.
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8 Sep 2017 14:52 |
PROBERT, WILLIAM JOHN mmn THOMAS GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 447
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8 Sep 2017 14:53 |
Thanks, Maddie, I didn't have the exact marriage date.
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8 Sep 2017 14:54 |
Results: Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BEVAN, MARY ELIZABETH PROBERT Order GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 141 BEVAN, WILLIAM JOHN PROBERT Order GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 111
BEVAN, ISABELLA LYDIA PROBERT Order GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 227
Not seeing a birth for Florrie c1917 as per 1939 register
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8 Sep 2017 14:55 |
1939 register
Jones Household (3 People) Sunny Bank , Abergavenny R.D., Monmouthshire, Wales
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Florence A Bevan 02 Jul 1887 Female Unpaid Household Dut Married 12 2 Mary Ann Jones 19 Oct 1853 Female (Invalid) Unpaid Household Widowed 12 1 Florence Williams (Bevan) 28 Jul 1917 Female Daughter Assisting M Single 12 3
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8 Sep 2017 15:01 |
???????????????? FROM CESUS POSTED ABOVE
PROBERT, WILLIAM JOHN DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 438
PROBERT, THOMAS JAMES DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 432
PROBERT, FLORENCE EDITH DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 505
PROBERT, DAVID LLOYD DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 562
1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Thistle Broom Cottage, 3, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Probert Head Married Male 51 1850 Ostler Below Ground Stanton, Herefordshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Probert Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Clyro, Radnorshire, Wales Transcription Charles Harris Probert Son Single Male 19 1882 Horse Driver Below Ground Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription David Lloyd Probert Son Single Male 16 1885 Horse Driver In Timber Yard Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Florence Edith Probert Daughter Single Female 14 1887 School Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Pritchard Morgan Probert Son Single Male 11 1890 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Llewellyn Francis Probert Son Single Male 9 1892 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription John Davies Cousin Single Male 9 1892 - Hay, Breconshire, Wales Transcription William O Keefe Boarder Widower Male 32 1869 Brickworks Labourer - Transcription Mary O Keeffe Boarder Single Female 3 1898 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Patrick Driscoll Boarder Widower Male 29 1872 Colliery Labourer Below Ground - Transcription James Hooker Boarder Single Male 16 1885 Groom Livery Stables Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John James Martin Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Coachman Domestic Douglas, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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8 Sep 2017 15:22 |
Maddie thats Florence Edith
PROBERT, PRITCHARD MORGAN DAVIES GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 519
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8 Sep 2017 15:25 |
sorry i know , thinking it would rule the 1891 census family out.
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Kuros
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8 Sep 2017 15:27 |
Florence Williams (Bevan) on the 1939 was born Florrie Bromley in 1917 in Crickhowell district but was taken in by another family when her mother died and they changed her name to Bevan. I suspect her mother had had a ding-dong with the Bevan man and he was her natural father. Her father gave her to this man soon after her mother died. Her marriage cert has Bromley-Bevan. Thank you all for your help. I have to go hospital visiting now but will return to this later to follow up all this info.
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8 Sep 2017 15:35 |
just in case as she married here
FLORENCE ANN Last name PROBERT Birth year 1887 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's last name - District Bedwellty County Monmouthshire Country Wales Volume 11A Page 107 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, Wales
the baptism mentioned in opening post
Florence Annie Last name Probert Birth year 1887 Baptism year 1887 Baptism day 10 Baptism month Aug Place Tredegar, St George County Monmouthshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) John Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann Page 2 Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Wales, Great Britain
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8 Sep 2017 15:46 |
Florence A Devan
in the 1911 Wales Census View 1911 Wales Census
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Name: Florence A Devan Age in 1911: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Tredegar Search Photos: Search for 'Tredegar' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: Bach Of Coach I Horses Inn Charles St Tredegar Marital Status: Married Years Married: 3 Estimated Marriage Year: 1908 Registration district: Bedwellty Registration District Number: 585 Sub-registration district: Tredegar ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Household schedule number: 190 Piece: 31854 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Devan 24 Florence A Devan 23 William Jhon Devan 2
There is also another child entered on the form and then crossed out so that one must have died. Mary Elizabeth Bevan aged 3 born Dumberton Beaconshire??
2 children born 1 died.
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8 Sep 2017 16:04 |
Charles Last name Probert Birth year 1887 Baptism year 1887 Baptism day 01 Baptism month Mar Place Tredegar, St George County Monmouthshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) John Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann Page 96 Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Wales, Great Britain
could this be the family
1891 Name: Florie A Jones Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Moses Jones Mother's name: Mary A Jones Gender: Female Where born: Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Bedwellty Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Tredegar County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Bedwellty Sub registration district: Tredegar ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4355 Folio: 106 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Moses Jones 34 Mary A Jones 37 William J Jones 6 Charlie Probert 6 --- born tredegar Florie A Jones 3
Moses Last name Jones Age 32 Birth year 1857 Year 1889 Event Marriage Marriage year 1889 Marriage date 26 Aug 1889 Residence - Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Jones Place Bedwellty County Monmouthshire Country Wales Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann Spouse's last name Probert Spouse's age 35 Spouse's residence - Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Jeffries Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Wales, Great Britain
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8 Sep 2017 16:24 |
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JOHN Last name PROBERT Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1843 Age 45 Death quarter 2 Death year 1888 District Bedwellty County Monmouthshire Volume 11A Page 72 Country Wales Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Collections from Great Britain, Wales
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8 Sep 2017 16:27 |
1901 28, Earl Street, Tredegar, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Moses Jones Head Married Male 42 1859 Coal Miner Hewer Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales Transcription Mary A Jones Wife Married Female 45 1856 - London, Middlesex, England Transcription Charles P Jones Son - Male 16 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William J Jones Son - Male 16 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Florence A Jones Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Morgan H Jones Son - Male 10 1891 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription George B Jones Son - Male 7 1894 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Thomas O Jones Son - Male 5 1896 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales
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8 Sep 2017 16:39 |
mary anns marriage to john
Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) Mary Ann Last name Jeffries Age 20 Birth year 1853 Year 1873 Event Marriage Marriage year 1873 Marriage date 08 Jul 1873 Residence - Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Jeffries Place Llanfoist County Monmouthshire Country Wales Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Probert Spouse's age 31 Spouse's residence - Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles Spouse's father's last name Probert Record set Monmouthshire Marriages And Banns Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Wales, Great Britain
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 13, Charles Street, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Probert Head Married Male 38 1843 Coal Miner Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Mary A A Probert Wife Married Female 27 1854 - City of London, Middlesex, England Transcription John Probert Son Single Male 1 1880 - Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Thomas Jeffries Brother In Law Single Male 15 18666 ----- Bootmakers Apprentice Herefordshire, England Transcription Census details First name(s) John Last name Probert
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