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Wendy

Wendy Report 7 Sep 2017 15:51

Hi
Sarah Daniels married Richard Oakley in 1880 in Stepney (GRO Index)These two had five children between 1882 and 1891 who appear on the 1902 census as step-children to Sarah's second husband,Edward James Drew.
I should be able to find Richard and Sarah in 1881.Even if Richard died before the 1891 census there should be an entry for Sarah and children (Sarah married Drew in 1795 in Lewisham.
Without the census I have no idea who this Richard Oakley was.Can anyone please help.
Regards
Wendy
ps Sarah Daniels was born in Heston,Hounslow Middlesex in 1856.and the last three children were born in Guildford Surrey

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 16:20

Wendy can you post the 1901 census or give the children's names please?

no it's ok lol

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
25, Watlington Grove, Lewisham, London, England

Edward Drew Head Married Male 37 1864 General Labourer Datchet, Buckinghamshire, England
Sarah Drew Wife Married Female 42 1859 Laundress Hounslow, Middlesex, England T
Herbert Oakley Step Son Single Male 19 1882 General Labourer Colnbrook, Buckinghamshire, England
Annie Oakley Step Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Laundress Kent, England
George Oakley Step Son - Male 14 1887 Telegraph Messenger Guildford, Surrey, England
Richard Oakley Step Son - Male 11 1890 - Guildford, Surrey, England T
Bessie Drew Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Sydenham, Kent, England

Wendy

Wendy Report 7 Sep 2017 16:24

Hello Nyx
That's the family in 1902 but there is no sign of them in 1881/1891.

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 16:29

no just looking but wanted that census for ages of children
just for ref,

OAKLEY, ANNIE MARTHA DANIELS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 566

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Sep 2017 16:44

This is curious, Sarah's details match 1901 as do her 2 sons Herbert and George but the surname is Brown and she seems to be married to William Brown. Edward Drew is a boarder.


Sarah Brown
in the 1891 England Census

Gender:
Female
Age:
31
Relationship:
Wife
Birth Year:
1860
Spouse:
William Brown
Child:
Herbert Brown
George Brown
Ada Brown
John Brown

Birth Place:
Hounston, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:
Stoke
Ecclesiastical parish:
Stoke
Residence Place:
Stoke, Surrey, England

Household Members:

William Brown 34
Sarah Brown 31
Herbert Brown 9 , born Colnbrook, Buckinghamshire
George Brown 4 , born Guildford, Surrey
Ada Brown 2
John Brown 3 Weeks
Edward Drew 26 , born Datchet, Buckinghamshire

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 17:01

Sarah was evidently still using the name Oakley for Richard born 1891 ( after the 1891 census I assume)
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
OAKLEY, RICHARD EDWARD DANIELS Order
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in GUILDFORD Volume 02A Page 79

But does seem the one that Margaret has posted, Possibly just been added as Mrs Brown , or maybe just living with him.

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Sep 2017 17:04

even stranger if corrrect marriage
annie martha oakley married john rose in 1907 but in the name coberley

Name Annie Martha Cobley
Estimated Birth Year abt 1884
Age 23
Spouse John Rose
Spouse Age 25
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 6 Jul 1907
Parish St Michael and All Angels, Southfields
Borough Wandsworth
Father Name Herbert William Cobley deceased a labouer
Spouse Father William Rose
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members

she was a spinster
Name Age
Annie Martha Cobley
John Rose

but the orinal says solimized between annie martha oakley and john rose
witnesses herbert william oakley and ada oakley


Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 17:16

1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Brathway Road Wandsworth S W, Wandsworth, London, England


Sarah Drew Head Widow Female Laundress 54 1857 Houndslow Middlesex
Ada Oakley Daughter Single Female Laundress 23 1888 Guilford Surry T
Bessie Drew Daughter - Female Scholar 13 1898 Sydenham Kent
Alice Driver Boarder Single Female Laundress 20 1891 Wandsworth Surry

7 children 6 living

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 17:19

This is also odd, but I think this might be Ada?

OAKLEY, ADA CAROLINE mmn BROWN Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in GUILDFORD Volume 02A Page 94

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Sep 2017 17:20

It's Annie Martha Oakley on FreeBMD:


Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
OAKLEY Annie Martha Wandsworth 1d 1237
ROSE John Wandsworth 1d 1237

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Sep 2017 17:28

Name: Ada Caroline Oakley
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Age: 25
Spouse: Alfred Walter Hughes
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1913
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Richard William Oakley ---labourer
Spouse Father: Israel Hughes
Register Type: Parish Register

witness Annie Martha Rose

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 17:57

Looking for Herbert, i think this might be him mistranscribed?

BROWN, HERBERT RICHARD mmn DAMELLS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in ETON Volume 03A Page 548

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 18:05

As this is where Herbert was born? I won't put all the names on the page as they are all lodgers


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Beer Shop the Bricklayers Arms, Horton, Eton, Buckinghamshire, England

William Brown Lodger Married Male 27 1854 Laborer Agricultural Hounslow, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Brown Lodger Married Female 25 1856 Laundress Hounslow, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<

Maddie

Maddie Report 7 Sep 2017 18:08

herbert in 1911

22 Watlington Grove Lower Sydenham S E, Lewisham, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Herbert Richard Oakley Head Married Male Stationary Engine Driver 29 1882 Bucks Colnbrooks
Transcription
Florence Emily Oakley Wife Married Female - 30 1881 Sydenham
Transcription
Winifred Gladys Oakley Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Sydenham
Transcription
Herbert William Oakley Son - Male School 5 1906 Sydenham
Transcription
George Leslie Oakley Son - Male - 3 1908 Sydenham
Transcription
Doris May Oakley Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Sydenham
Transcription
No Name Oakley Son - Male - 0 1911 Sydenham
Transcription
William Robinson Screech Boarder Widower Male Pensioner 73 1838 Devonport

1939
akley Household (4 People) 6 Watlington Grove , Lewisham, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Herbert R Oakley 03 Oct 1881 Male 5th Suburban Gas Company Engine Room Attendant Married 227 1
Florence E Oakley 08 Aug 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 227 2
Walter J Oakley 08 Mar 1911 Male 5th Suburban Gas Company Tramed Fitter Single 227 3
Cecila V Oakley 28 Apr 1915 Female Ladies Laundress Unemployed Single 227 4

Rambling

Rambling Report 7 Sep 2017 18:09

1881 just a possible though it says he's single.


First name(s) Richard
Last name Oakley
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 36
Birth year 1845
Occupation General Labourer
Birth town Hackney
Birth town as transcribed HACKNEY
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name Hackney Union Workhouse
Street Sidney Road Homerton
Town -
Parish Hackney
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Hackney
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 310
Folio 81
Page 14
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
© Findmypast

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Sep 2017 18:34

If you get their marriage cert it will give his age and fathers name ,if known

Marriages Sep 1880
Daniels Sarah St. Geo. East 1c 802
Oakley Richard St. Geo. East 1c 802

Wendy

Wendy Report 8 Sep 2017 16:12

Wow
Thanks everyone I do believe you have solved my problem.
Thanks again !!!
Wendy

Rambling

Rambling Report 8 Sep 2017 16:24

Wendy if you do get the marriage cert please come back and let us know who Richard's father was if named, it's an interesting one :-)

Wendy

Wendy Report 9 Sep 2017 14:33

Hello All
Yes I will send for the marriage cert and I will certainly let you know the details.
Regards
Wendy

Wendy

Wendy Report 9 Sep 2017 15:38

Hi Again
Sarah Daniels married Richard Oakley Sep Qtr in 1880.In 1881 she is living with William Browm but there is no death record for Richard Oakley which fits the dates above.Do you think it possible that William Brown is Richard Oakley,All the children born in the following ten years were registered as Oakley.I'm not sure about the 3 week old John in 1891 but he must have been the child who died (mentioned on 1911 census)
Wendy