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Can anyone solve my tree? Jessie has a brother William Whinrey B 1858 (named after his G/dad), sister Frances Maria b 1859, Elizabeth Ann B 1861, Emily Jane B. 1863, Catherine B 1865, Ann B 1866, Mary Adelaide B 1865, Maria Charlotte B 1870.

On Ancestry message board there was a post looking for Mary Gearing. (lady that posted it has passed away) It reads this. SHE'S BEEN FOUND!. After a lot of searching we've managed to find Mary Adelaide's baptism (though still no trace in the GRO index, so no birth cert). Almost everything I was told by mother an grandmother was wrong, but I think Mary Adelaide herself believed it to be true. Firstly her birth date was 26 Jun 1868 (not 26 july 1871 which was the date she herself used). her father was John Gearing (he died Jan 1870) he was a carpenter not a painter (but his father was a printer - I can see some miscopying here). also she was born in St Giles holborn, not Lambeth, her parents did live in Lambeth for a time and some of her siblings were born there. But she WAS a cigar maker (in fact that's how we found her - mum had remarried, on the 1891 census under stepdad's name). I've certainly made the most of my Ancestry with this search, which involved downloading page of the census, until I found a likely looking candidate, and then checking BMD records for feasibility. Then I had to go to London to look at church records. All this however has taken me right back to Mary Adelaide's grandparents, and way before civil registration, so it was effort well worth making.

If I can find Mary it might help me find Jessie Birth. My tree is a little confusing.

I think Jessie Gearing mum was known (not sure if that's her birth name) as Ann/Annie, she couldn't write, so all the above children link via family members signing the weddings. Jessie Mum, Ann I think was Witton?, her dad was a Tailor called William?.
Ann as Witton married Charles Ashley, he died soon after, so she married John Thomas Gearing, he died in 1870, so won't be Jessie dad like with the others. Mum Ann then married James Thackerrey. Ann Died at Daughter Mary (the post above about Mary also having no birth, but she found a baptism ) Mary was married to surname Dickeson.

When Jessie Married James Measures her dad read Henry Gearing a cabinet maker. Her mum was married to John and he died before Jessie was born.

Also Jessie mum Ann might have a sister Mary b 1817 married Thompson and sister Sarah 1827 married Robert Pardy/Purdy. The name Purdy signs wedding certificate.

Look up a Census 1901
James Measures 28
Jessie Measures 25
Jessie Measures 4
Mabel Measures 4 Weeks
Annie Thackerey 25

the name above this reads Ann Miller (I think this is Jessie sister) William Miller is a witness on Jessie wedding.

Any help on finding Jessie baptism would be great, because I can't find anything. With all this info I can't find, Jessie, or where her mum and dad came from.

There is a Jessie born the same year, she married and her dad was Edwin, this isn't my Jessie, as my Jessie married James Measures.

Thank you x

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GEARING, JESSIE MORRIS Order
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 146

Thank you, its worth a try. Can you see if you can find her mum and dad, and Mary's baptism ?

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GEARING, MARIAN MORRIS Order
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 59

is this william

GEARING, WILLIAM WHINREY WITTON Order
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in ST GILES & ST GEORGE Volume 01B

Mary Ann Gearing mum nee Witton born March QTR 1874 Lambeth V01d P409 could this be Jessie her sister Emily Jane also born Lambeth.


1871 Finsbury St Giles Page 49 of 61
Anne Gearing widow a mangler? 1837
Emily J 8
Ann 5
Mary A 2
Maria C 9months.

Maryb.

I think Jessie and Marian (mms Morris), whose births safc posted, are the children of this couple:

Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Gearing Edwin Marylebone 1a 665
Morris Sarah Marylebone 1a 665


Marian Gearing
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Marian Gearing
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1868
Father's name: Edwin Gearing
Mother's name: Sarah Gearing
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shepherds Bush St Stephen
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers


Marian Gearing
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Marian Gearing
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin Gearing
Mother's name: Sarah Gearing
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 66
Folio: 10
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Gearing 39
Sarah Gearing 35
Elizabeth Gearing 10
Alice Gearing 8
Marian Gearing 6 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Gearing 5
Clara Maud Gearing 3
Albert Gearing 1 Month



Edwin Gearing
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edwin Gearing
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Gearing
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 126 Bramley Rd
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Grocer
Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 33c
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 34
Folio: 18
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Gearing 49
Sarah Gearing 44
Alice Gearing 19
William Gearing 15
Alicia Gearing 13
Frank Gearing 10
Jessie Gearing 6 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kate Gearing 3

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) William Whinrey
Last name Gearing
Gender Male
Birth year 1858
Birth place -
Baptism year 1858
Baptism date 04 Apr 1858
Place Holborn
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) John Thomas
Father's last name Gearing
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Hi i'm new to this, where do I click to comment on all your comments on this post?

Thank you xx

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Smarts Buildings, St Giles, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Anne Gearing Mother - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England
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Emily Jane Gearing Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Surrey, England
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Ann T Gearing Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Middlesex, England
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Mary A Gearing Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Middlesex, England
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Maria C Gearing Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Middlesex, England


ann is a widow

Jennifer -

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EDIT:

Have just found your message to me, confirming that Jessie mms Morris isn't your Jessie.

Safc. Sorry the name Morris didn't click at first, but seeing dad as Edwin that Jessie married Joseph Heaton, and I ordered the certificate, so its not my Jessie.
In looking for Jessie Morris Kensington you have shown me a Jessie Thompson, a Jessie Miller and a Jessie Woodley, all born in 1875 Kensington. All those surnames were her sisters married names, maybe one is Jesse Gearing? These are worth looking into.


Safc. Yes William Whinrey is Jessie's Brother. the dad John Thomas Gearing died in 1870.

Mary. Yes that 1871 shows Ann as a widow.

Emily married Thomas Woodley story on Ancestry looking for Mary both Emily and Thomas died in the war in 1844.

Ann T (T came from other trees, some put Theresa) This T helps me know my Ann by putting T, because mum Ann was married to John Thomas Gearing, but Ann T dad on the wedding reads William Gearing not John. There is a Miller tree, where Ann T married William Miller. They have a child that married in Canada and when marrying put her mums names as Thackerrey. I think Thackerrye was an error due to the 1901 census above where her gran was living near them all.
Also William Miller signed Jessie wedding as a witness to James Measures

Mary Adelaide married Thomas Dickeson . Mary is the story where they're looking for her birth like with Jessie. There mum Ann as Thackerrey died giving Mary's, address, she worked most of her later life in the workwouse. I can't find any younger life.

Maria died aged abt 2.


Jessies dad reads Henry.

See this tree is a hard on to crack :-)

On all Jessie's Measures Children she put she was a Gearing as maiden name. Also her first child was named Jessie, so it make me think she was a Jessie?.

Thank you for all looking.

Thank you I was clicking the name, then thought it might be sending a pm, and I need everyone's help on this one.
Thank you

Safc. In looking for Jessie Morris Kensington you have shown me a Jessie Thompson, a Jessie Miller and a Jessie Woodley, all born in 1875 Kensington. All those surnames were her sisters married names, maybe one is Jesse Gearing?

Jessie's Mum Ann Witton has a sister called Mary Witton, she married John William Thompson in 1849.
With your post I see a Jessie Thompson b 1875 Kensington.

Ann Daughter Emily married Thomas Woodley.
Ann Daughter Ann T married William Miller
both surnames there is a Jessie born 1875.

When Jessie was a widow aged 75 on a census she gave a birth of 18 Jan 1875, but I couldn't find anything, if that was her birth on one census?

hi jennifer

i think
you did not have to register births until 1885
may be they aren't registered

or they might be under a different surname ?
i can't find them in 1881
abby

safc - births had to be rego'ed from 1875 on in England and Wales.
It was always compulsory in Scotland and maybe Ireland too..

Can anyone find the Mary Ann Gearing born Jan 1874 with mum nee Witton anywhere,as I can't.

Maryb.

A tree on Ancestry has a photo of her, and says she married William Jagger in 1891 Islington.

They had daughters Alice Maud (31/01/1891 Islington - 1974); Frances Minnie (29/01/1893 Islington - 1962); Annie Elizabeth (04/03/1895 Holborn - 1896 Holborn); Ada Florence (1903 - 1903 Islington); Rose Lilian (1911 - 1911 Islington); Mary Eleanor (1914-15 Islington).

Also sons:
William (1897-98 Holborn); George J (1899 Islington - 1966); James (1904 Islington - 1978); John (1906 - 1907 Islington) ; Frederick Walter (1908 Islington - 1952); Albert (1912 Islington - 1974);

Husband died 1935 Islington.
Mary Ann died 1957 Wandsworth.

Unfortunately the tree doesn't say who her parents were.


Mary A Jagger
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary A Jagger
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1873
Spouse: William Jagger
Child: Alice W Jagger
Birth Place: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Residence Place: London City, Islington, London, England
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington South West
ED, Institution or Vessel: 38b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 157
Folio: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jagger 41
Mary A Jagger 18
Alice W Jagger 3/12



Mary A Jagger
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary A Jagger
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Jagger
Birth Place: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 172
Folio: 100
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jagger 34
Mary A Jagger 28
Frances M Jagger 8
George Jagger 2
Henry Jagger 8/12


Mary Ann Jagger
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Jagger
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: ISLINGTON, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 41 Georges Rd, Holloway, Islington, London N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1890
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 862
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jagger 44
Mary Ann Jagger 38
Alice Maud Jagger 20
George Jagger 12
Henry Jagger 10
James Jagger 7
Frederick Walter Jagger 3
Rose Lilian Jagger 0
James Henry Cummings 25 - boarder


Mary A Jagger
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary A Jagger
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Date: Jun 1957
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 705

HOWEVER _

Ancestry suggests that Mary Ann Jagger nee Gearing was this child below.
If so, the tree's got the1874 Lambeth birth by mistake - and certainly the censuses all seem to give Mary Ann Jagger's YOB as 1873, not 1874:

Mary Ann Gearing
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Ann Gearing
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1873
Father's name: Robert Gearing
Mother's name: Sarah Gearing
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Simon Zelotes
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers



GEARING, MARY ANN mms BALL
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 310

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
Ball Sarah Chelsea 1a 355
Gearing Robert Joseph Chelsea 1a 355


Mary A. Gearing
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary A. Gearing
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Robert Gearing
Mother: Sarah Gearing
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marys Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Brewery Rd
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 238
Folio: 97
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gearing 54
Sarah Gearing 41
James Gearing 14
Mary A. Gearing 8
Annie Gearing 6
George Gearing 1

The marriage cert to William Jagger would be needed to find out that Mary Ann's father's name, to rule her either out or in.