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Death:

HOLDERNESS, FRANCIS 0
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 257

EDIT:
Just realised Flo already knew that.

Seems mum was a widow by 1871

Name: Jane Holderness
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1832
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland >>>>>>>>>
Civil parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 4211
Folio: 24
Page number: 41
Household Members Age Relationship
Maria Staniforth
44 Head
Jane Holderness 39 Sister-in-law widow
Margaret Alice Holderness
8 Niece

HOLDERNESS, MARGARET ALICE WALLS
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 465


No Francis living with them


The two births are very close together. Maybe not the same family

Probably why the confusion to Margaret of her fathers name

Maybe the parents has parted so she didn’t know her fathers Christian name

A Joseph might have been in her life so she assumed he was her father

Jane Walls had a daughter Margaret Alice born in 1862 and father listed as George Holderness and the father for Francis is also George Holderness. When Margaret married aged 17 her father is listed as Joseph Holderness. How can you forget your own fathers Christian name.

She doesn't have to have been married to anyone - she could have simply implied that she was by the way she gave the information

Was there a FATHER's name on the cert?

I have now received the birth certificate for Francis Holderness born on the 22/12/1863 but I’m still puzzled as his mother is listed as Jane Holderness late Whitley formerly Walls.
I know Jane’s maiden name was Walls but does it mean she was married to someone called Whitley then to someone called Holderness? If that is the case then the marriage to the Whitley chap must be before 1863 and I’ve been looking for one much later than that.
I would be grateful for your thoughts.

Thank you ErikaH.

Going back to William Whitley

The one who died in 'Heaton' in 1896 was born in 1816...........

Deaths Jun 1896 (>99%)
Whitley William 80 Lancaster 8e 462

The Heaton in question is Heaton with Oxcliffe - between Lancaster and Morecambe.

I lived there in my teens

I’ve only sent for one at the moment as I thought I would see what his father’s name is and If it’s the same as the one on his sisters birth certificate.
Thanks for the thought.

It's too late to tell you now, if you've already sent for both the apparent birth certs for Francis -

but you only needed to send for one as there's only one certificate.

I assume you've ordered via LancsBMD, as there's only one birth entry on GRO - mmn Walls.

Thank you for that. I’ve sent for the certificates so hopefully I will get answers.

If you were to send for the birth cert, I expect you would see that the surnames Walls and Whitley are given as alternative names for the mother.

Francis's birth is only registered once, and there is only one birth cert, but both of Jane's names will be on the cert.

However, I think you need to send for the birth cert, to see exactly what the wording is.

Walls seems to be her actual maiden surname - that's the only one shown on the GRO site.

Whitley is clearly another name she was known by - but you need the cert to see the exact wording.
If it's a married name, or if she'd taken the name of a man she wasn't married to - that shouldn't be shown as a maiden name .

It could be a transcription mistake, or a mistake by the registrar.
You need the cert.

When Jane Holderness/Whitley died in 1899 on her death certificate it says she was the widow of William Whitley deceased. When her son Francis was born in 1864 according to the Lancashire records her maiden name was Walls but there is also a registration below saying her name was Whitley with the same registration number. Does anyone know if he could have been registered twice and does anyone know why the mothers name would be different.
I can’t find a marriage to anyone called Holderness or anyone called Whitley. I also can’t find a death for Holderness or Whitley.
Family history says that Jane married when she was pregnant with her first child and her husband left her to find his fortune in Australia and when he did he would send for her but he didn’t and she remarried. It was also said she was a bigamist as when she remarried she had no proof that her husband had died. I wondered if the son born in 1864 he was the son of William Whitley. Saying that her husband hadn’t been gone very long before she remarried. I know stories change in time so I’m not sure how much of this is true.
Im sorry if the above in garbled.


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference Add to Summary
HOLDERNESS Francis WALLS 1864 Preston Preston PRES/142/54
HOLDERNESS Francis WHITLEY 1864 Preston Preston PRES/142/54

Maria Hainporth
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Maria Hainporth
[Maria Stainforth]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Hainporth
Gender: Female
Where Born: Casterton, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Preston
Sub-registration District: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 321
Piece: 3135
Folio: 140
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hainporth 40
Maria Hainporth 40
Eliza Hainporth 19 - Preston
Cetavries Hainporth 21 Preston [ Octavius on image ]
Sarah J Hainporth 4 - Preston


STANIFORD, SARAH JANE mmn HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 394

Maria Banks
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Maria Banks
Gender: Female
Age: 67
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Birth Year: 1824
Child:
Eliza Askew
Birth Place: Kirby Sonsdale, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Westhoughton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Residence Place: Westhoughton, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Horwich
ED, Institution or Vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 3107
Folio: 11
Household Members Age Relationship
John Askew 55 Head
Eliza Askew 47 Wife
William Askew 17 Son
Edmund Askew 15 Son
Elizabeth A Askew 10 Daughter
Maria Banks 67 Mother-in-law


John Askew
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Askew
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Kendal
Inferred County: Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 894
Records on Page:
Name
John Askew
Eliza Harrison


Maria Banks
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Maria Banks
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Broken High, Lancashire, England [ Westhoughton on image. She had a BROKEN THIGH ]
Civil Parish: Westhoughton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-registration District: Horwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 3612
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household Schedule Number: 161
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliz Askew 60
Alfred W Askew 27
Elizabeth A Askew 20
Maria Banks 75
Catherine Martinson 30


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HARRISON, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION Volume 21 Page 655


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Elizabeth Harrison
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Harrison
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where Born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Crompton
Ecclesiastical parish: Shaw
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Oldham
Sub-registration District: Royton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 86
Piece: 2243
Folio: 457
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
James Stott 50
Jane Stott 49
Richard Whitehead 24
Jane Whitehead 21
Hannah Stott 9
May Stott 13
Elizabeth Harrison 8 - nurse [child]
Ann Whitehead 1 Mo

The 'sister-in-law' from 1871 census re-married

Marriage: 10 Nov 1872 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Henry Banks - 52, Smith, Widower, Melbourne St
Maria Staniforth - 48, House Keeper, Widow, Melbourne St
Groom's Father: late Henry Banks, Smith
Bride's Father: late Charles Harrison, Lime Burner
Witness: John Banks; Emma Banks, (X)
Married by Banns by: Edmund Lee, Curate
Register: Marriages 1872 - 1873, Page 19, Entry 38
Source: LDS Film 94000

Not sure how the two women actually connect, in view of Maria's father's name

I want to apologise to all who have done their best to help with my conundrum.
I originally said that when Jane Walls/Holderness/Whitley died in 1899 and her husband was listed as George deceased but I've just found the certificate and found that should have read William Whitley deceased.

I've looked in Lancashire b.m.d and the only William Whitley I've found died in 1896 in Heaton but not sure where Heaton is other than Lancashire hold the records. Still can't find a marriage for a William Whitley and Jane Holderness though.
Patsy

Gins. Francis .Holderness mmn Burrell is the wrong Francis. The one below it is the correct one.
The Jane Whitley who died in 1909 is also incorrect as I have her death certificate for 1899 and the informant was her daughter Margaret Alice. She was living with her daughter at the time of death. According to her certificate her husband whether it be George Holderness or George Whitley was already deceased. On the death certificate it says widow of George Whitley.
All very confusing but thanks for your help.
Patsy

It looks like the transcriber made a mistake on the entry for Francis 1864. Here is the GRO record for both.

HOLDERNESS, FRANCIS MMN BURRELL
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in SPILSBY Volume 07A Page 547

HOLDERNESS, FRANCIS MMN WALLS
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 468