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ErikaH
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17 Oct 2019 15:46 |
John was Clarke at birth - just recorded as Allen on a couple of censuses, as was his sister Mary.
I've given you the marriage of his mother to Allen - 1859
AND the births of her children with Allen, showing her maiden name
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17 Oct 2019 15:21 |
Thank you... no I hadn't done any research on John's mother Sarah as I wasn't 100 % sure she was the right one. But I've found out William and Sarah were witnesses to John and Alice's wedding. I'm wondering also, on the census he is down as John Allen but then he must have taken his mum's name which I presume was Clarke. I never knew about his brothers/sisters either. So Mary is also illegitimate.
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16 Oct 2019 12:04 |
The first William must have died..........this is the birth of the one shown on 1871 census records
ALLEN, WILLIAM CLARKE GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 208
Death ALLEN, WILLIAM 0 GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 139
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ErikaH
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16 Oct 2019 11:43 |
1871
Name: Sarah Allen Age: 40 Estimated birth year: 1831 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Leicestershire England Civil Parish: St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke and St Matthew Town: Leicester County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Registration district: Leicester Sub-registration district: East Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Household schedule number: 46 Piece: 3274 Folio: 8 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age William Allen 38 Sarah Allen 40 John Allen 17 Mary A Allen 14 Elizabeth Allen 12 William Allen 5
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Name: Sarah Allen Age: 28 Estimated birth year: 1833 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Allen Gender: Female Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Leicester St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Leicester County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Registration district: Leicester Sub-registration district: West Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Piece: 2294 Folio: 13 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age William Allen 27 Sarah Allen 28 John Allen 7 Mary A Allen 4 Elizabeth Allen 2 William Allen 4months
ALLEN, WILLIAM (MMN) CLARKE GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 194
ALLEN, ELIZABETH (MMN) CLARKE GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 211
The older daughter was also illegitimate (no MMN on GRO records)
CLARKE, MARY ANN - GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 206
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ErikaH
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16 Oct 2019 11:25 |
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Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%) Allen William Leicester 7a 276 Clark Sarah Leicester 7a 276
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ErikaH
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16 Oct 2019 11:23 |
William ALLEN would not be the father of John CLARKE.
He is probably his stepfather ('son in law' often meant stepson in those days) - have you done any research regarding John's mother?
You said there was no father's name on his marriage cert, so John was illegitimate
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Pebbles13
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16 Oct 2019 11:10 |
Would Sarah and William Allen be the mother and father of John Clarke, why do they have different surnames and why does it say son-in-law ??
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Aug 2017 18:53 |
Below could relate looking at 1861...
Chris :)
24 June 1864 - Leicester Journal - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Death On the 18th inst. aged 34, Jane; wife of Mr. William Doubleday, George-street
Edits (an old 'Thread', another Member looking for Marriage of above couple)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326224
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Pebbles13
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18 Aug 2017 18:46 |
Thank you everyone for your help, I appreciate it :-)
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malyon
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17 Aug 2017 22:20 |
this looks like ellen clarkes death in Westmorland john was a widow in 1871 census
Deaths Mar 1869 (>99%)
Clarke Ellen 45 E. Ward 10b 421
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malyon
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17 Aug 2017 22:10 |
Name John Clarke County Westmorland Event Type Census Event Date 1861 Event Place Appleby, Westmorland, England Registration District East Ward Residence Note Main Street Gender Male Age 7 Occupation Scholar Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1854 Birthplace Loughborough, Leicestershire Page Number 6 Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 3956 / 6 Affiliate Record Type Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace John Clarke Head M 47 Longborough, Leicestershire Ellen Clarke Wife F 37 Market Overton, Rutland John Clarke Son M 7 Loughborough, Leicestershire Ann J Clarke Daughter F 4 Appleby, Westmorland
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17 Aug 2017 22:08 |
COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE Attach to Family Tree
John Clarke England and Wales Census, 1871 Name John Clarke Event Type Census Event Date 1871 Event Place Appleby, Appleby, Westmorland, England Enumeration District 1 Gender Male Age 17 Marital Status U Occupation Drapers Apprentice Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1854 Birthplace Loughborough, Leicestershire Entry Number 8 Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5269/0016 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace John Clarke Head M 57 Loughborough, Leicestershire John Clarke Son M 17 Loughborough, Leicestershire Ann Clarke Daughter F 15 Appleby, Westmorland Ellen Clarke Daughter F 10 Appleby, Westmorland William Clarke Son M 8 Appleby, Westmorland Henry Clarke Son M 6 Appleby, Westmorland
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17 Aug 2017 22:05 |
John Clarke England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 January 1854 ALL SAINTS, LOUGHBOROUGH, LEICESTER, ENGLAND father: John Clarke mother: Ellen
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17 Aug 2017 21:09 |
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 3, Lee Street, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
John Clarke Head Married Male 28 1833 Wheelwright Kilby, Leicestershire, England Transcription Eliza Jane Clarke Wife Married Female 30 1831 Wheelwright Wife Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England John Clarke Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 - Yelvertoft, Northamptonshire, England Elizabeth Clarke Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Leire, Leicestershire, England William Clarke Son - Male 2 1859 - Burbage, Leicestershire, England
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17 Aug 2017 20:53 |
Alice with her mother's family? 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bedford Street, St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Benjamin Bordole Head - Male 37 1834 - Leicestershire, England Transcription Rebecca Bordole Wife - Female 38 1833 - Leicestershire, England Mary Bordole Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Leicestershire, England John Bordole Son - Male 6 1865 - Leicestershire, England James Bordole Son - Male 4 1867 - Leicestershire, England Sarah Bordole Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Leicestershire, England Sarah A Bordole Niece - Female 19 1852 - Leicestershire, England Alice Bordole Niece - Female 17 1854 - Leicestershire, England
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17 Aug 2017 20:49 |
Births Mar 1852 (>99%) DOUBLEDAY Sarah Ann Bordoli Leicester 7a 166
DOUBLEDAY, SARAH ANN BORDOLI BORDOLI Order GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 166
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17 Aug 2017 20:41 |
just trying to see if John was living anywhere near Alice before the marriage
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20, George Street, St Margarets, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Joanna Doubleday Wife Married Female 31 1830 Sock Stitcher St Martins, Leicestershire, England T Sarah Doubleday Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar St Margaret's, Leicestershire, England Alice Doubleday Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar St Margaret's, Leicestershire, England Adelaide Doubleday Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1861 - St Margaret's, Leicestershire, England
DOUBLEDAY, ADELAIDE BORDELL Order GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 177
DOUBLEDAY, ALICE BORDOLE Order GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 220
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17 Aug 2017 20:30 |
In the 1891 census posted above by Nyx the family are living at All Saints Road.
There is this baptism in All Saints Church which could be a possible:-
Leicestershire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) John Last name Clarke Birth year 1854 Baptism year 1854 Baptism date 30 Jan 1854 Baptism place Loughborough, All Saints Denomination Anglican County Leicestershire Country England Father's first name(s) John Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland Archive reference DE667/9 Page 295 Record set Leicestershire Baptisms
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17 Aug 2017 20:27 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 39, Farnham Street, Leicester St Margaret, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Allen Head Married Male 48 1833 Railway Labourer Belper, Derbyshire, England Transcription Sarah Allen Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England John Clark Son In Law Married Male 28 1853 Shoe Finisher Leicester, Leicestershire, England Alice Clark Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England Albert E Clark Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire, England Fred W Clark Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire, England
just for confirmation as the above are with Allen family CLARKE, ALBERT EDWARD DOUBLEDAY Order GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 259
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17 Aug 2017 20:20 |
just for ref
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription All Saints Road, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Clarke Head Married Male 37 1854 Dyers Labourer - Alice Clarke Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England Albert E Clarke Son Single Male 15 1876 Shoe Clicker Leicester, Leicestershire, England Fred W Clarke Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar - Transcription John E Clarke Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar - Ada Clarke Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Leicester, Leicestershire, England Maud Clarke Daughter - Female 1 1890 - - Elizabeth Duffin Boarder - Female 22 1869 Fancy Hosiery Leicestershire, England Fanny Breward Boarder - Female 19 1872 Worsted Spinner - Transcription
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