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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	16 Aug 2017 23:38
	Hi again David If you read back everything that has been posted on this thread..........you will find that we have come to the same conclusion. Prickles ;o))
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 08:14
	The occupation of Maria's father Francis, was Hat Dyer on the 1851 census. This looks to be the family in 1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Penk Street, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Francis Murphy Male 50 1791 Ireland (Occ: Hatter) Mary Murphy Female 40 1801 Staffordshire, England Maria Murphy Female 15 1826 Staffordshire, England Jane Murphy Female 15 1826 Staffordshire, England Will Murphy Male 13 1828 Staffordshire, England Frans Murphy Male 9 1832 Staffordshire, England George Murphy Male 6 1835 Staffordshire, England Mary Ann Murphy Female 4 1837 Staffordshire, England Emma Murphy Female 1 1840 Staffordshire, England Thomas Murphy Male 15 1826 Staffordshire, England MURPHY, EMMA MMN WHITTAKER GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UNDER LYME Volume 17 Page 106 England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription First name(s) Francis Last name Murphy Name note - Marriage year 1820 Marriage date 03 Feb 1820 Marriage place Newcastle under Lyme Spouse's first name(s) Mary Spouse's last name Whitaker County Staffordshire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from England, Great Britain
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 08:19
	Staffordshire burials Transcription First name(s) Francis Last name Murphy Age 64 Birth year 1792 Death year 1856 Death date ? ? 1856 Burial year 1856 Burial date 05 Mar 1856 Burial place Newcastle under Lyme, St George Denomination Anglican County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3411/3/2 Page 75 Register type Burial Record set Staffordshire Burials Possibly why daughter Emma does not appear on the 1851 census Emma Murphy in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Emma Murphy Registration Year: 1845 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 59
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 08:47
	Daughter Maria.... Maria Murphy in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 Name: Maria Murphy Birth Date: 30 Jun Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Murphy Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1822 Baptism Place: Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Denomination: Wesleyan Son Francis...... Francis Murphy in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 Name: Francis Murphy Birth Date: 22 Oct 1832 Birth Place: Ncastle, Staffordshire, England Event Type: Baptism Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Whittaker Baptism Date: 10 Feb 1833 Baptism Place: Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Denomination: Primitive Methodist Piece Title: Piece 3300: Newcastle under Lyme (Prim. Methodist), 1817-1837 Francis Murphy in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Francis Murphy Gender: Male Marriage Date: 1858 Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Father: Francis Murphy Spouse: Mary Hand
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 08:55
	Son George...... George Murphy in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 Name: George Murphy Birth Date: 8 May 1835 Birth Place: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Event Type: Baptism Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Murphy Baptism Date: 26 May 1835 Baptism Place: Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Denomination: Primitive Methodist Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%) Brown Mary Newcastle L 6b 85 Murphy George Newcastle L 6B 85 Son Thomas..... Thomas Murphy in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980 Name: Thomas Murphy Gender: Male Christening Date: 15 Feb 1824 Christening Place: Newcastle-under-Lyne, Staffordshire, England Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Murphy ??? Deaths Dec 1849 (>99%) Murphy Thomas Newcastle under Lyme 17 68 Son William.... William Murphy in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980 Name: William Murphy Gender: Male Christening Date: 3 Aug 1828 Christening Place: Newcastle-under-Lyne, Staffordshire, England Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Murphy FreeReg Marriage County Staffordshire Place (link for place information) Newcastle-under-Lyme Church name St Giles Register type Parish Register Register entry number 486 Marriage date 30 Apr 1871 Groom forename William Groom surname MURPHY Groom age 33 Groom abode Bath Street, Newcastle Groom occupation Blockmaker Bride forename Ann Harris Bride surname BAILEY Bride age 37 Bride condition widow Bride abode Bath Street, Newcastle Groom father forename Frances Groom father surname MURPHY Groom father occupation Hatter Bride father forename Samuel Walker Bride father surname DALE Bride father occupation Clock maker Witness George MURPHY Witness Mary Ann HUGHES Register note Married by Registrar's Certificate. Bride, Groom and 2nd witness made theit mark thus X. Looking at the Witness Mary Ann Hughes...... Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%) HUGHES Robert Newcastle Lyme 6b 92 MURPHY Mary Ann Newcastle Lyme 6b 92 Daughter Jane... Jane Murphy in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Jane Murphy Gender: Female Baptism Date: 7 May 1826 Baptism Place: Newcastle Under Lyme,Stafford,England Father: Francis Murphy Mother: Mary Jane Murphy in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Jane Murphy Gender: Female Marriage Date: 1851 Marriage Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Father: Francis Murphy Spouse: James Cartlidge
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	17 Aug 2017 09:20
	(from his Marriage details, below fitting) Chris :) British Army Service Records Transcription (Find My Past) First name(s) Francis Last name Murphy Year 1852-62 Regiment 90th Foot Regiment / service number as transcribed 90 Foot Pension year 1821 Death age 65 Return year 1856 Return month Mar Series Wo 22 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Returns Of Payment Of Army And Other Pensions 1842-1883 Archive The National Archives Archive reference WO 22 Piece number 102 Piece description Stafford. Year range 1852-1862 (no idea on below Burial, just noted an Owen Murphy as Witness on Marriage) Murphy Owen 1760 1835 Staffordshire Burials Lichfield, St Michael, Staffordshire, England (Find My Past)
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 12:02
	Maria is still in Fletcher Street on the 1871 census Surname transcribed as "Kinnerson" 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Fletcher Street, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Maria Kinnerson Head Widow Female 47 1824 Staffordshire, England Thomas Kinnerson Son - (Miner) Male 18 1853 Staffordshire, England Alfred Kinnerson Son - (Miner) Male 14 1857 Staffordshire, England William Murphy Brother Clock Maker Male 37 1834 Staffordshire, England John Williams Boarder - Male 49 1822 - Staffordshire, England 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 51, Fletcher Street, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Maria Kinnersley Head Widow Female 56 1825 - Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Transcription Alfred Kinnersley Son Married Male 23 1858 Coal Miner Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Transcription Mary Ann Kinnersley Daughter In Law Married Female 39 1842 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England Transcription Adelaide Ann Webb Grand Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Madeley Heath, Staffordshire, England Transcription Charles Henry Webb Grand Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Madeley Heath, Staffordshire, England Transcription Arthur Webb Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Madeley Heath, Staffordshire, England Transcription Mahalath Webb Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Madeley Heath, Staffordshire, England Transcription Andrew Webb Grand Son Single Male 1 1880 - Madeley Heath, Staffordshire, England 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Fletcher Street, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Maria Kinnerson Head Widow Female 70 1821 - Staffordshire, England Transcription James Skidmore Lodger Single Male 37 1854 Forge Labourer Yorkshire, England Transcription James Salmon Lodger Single Male 38 1853 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 12:04
	Maria Kinnersley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Maria Kinnersley Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Registration Year: 1897 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 74 Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 32
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 14:28
	Staffordshire marriages Transcription First name(s) John Last name Kinnersly Age Of Full Age Marriage year 1845 Marriage date 09 Dec 1845 Marriage place Newcastle under Lyme, St George Denomination Anglican Residence Shoreditch Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Kinnersly Spouse's first name(s) Maria Spouse's last name Murphy Spouse's age Of Full Age Spouse's residence Lower Green Spouse's father's first name(s) Francis Spouse's father's last name Murphy County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3411/2/1 Page 136 Register type Marriage Record set Staffordshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from England, Great Britain This seems to be why Maria's husband John Kinnersley is not with her in any of the census records..... England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription Last name Kinnersley Age 27 Birth year 1824 Year 1851 Date 03 Jan 1851 Prisoner number 1124 Court Newcastle under Lyme Place - Crime Stealing Sentence duration 7 Series HO8 Source Home Office: Convict Hulks, Convict Prisons And Criminal Lunatic Asylums: Quarterly Returns Of Prisoners Piece number 118 Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Category Institutions & organisations Subcategory Prison registers Collections from Great Britain, UK None John Kinnersley 27 Offence: Stealing Money Where: Newcastle Under Lyme When: 3rd Jan 1851 Sentence: 7 Surgeon's Report: Healthy Behaviour During The Quarter: V.G. This is rather a long piece.....so i will fill in the full details later......(Done now!) 04 January 1851 - Staffordshire Advertiser - Stafford, Stafford NEWCASTLE. for this borough were held yesterday (Friday) before the Recorder. Sir Fortunatus Dwarns, and the Borough Magistrates.—John Kinnersley, a working shoemaker, was charged with stealing 9d, the moneys of John Morgan, of Shelton. It appeared that on the 6th Nov last, in the evening, the prosecutor was going along the Higherland, when a woman, who was standing with three men on the pathway, pushed against him and the prisoner, one of the party, came foward, knocked him down with a blow, and leaning on his stomach effected the robbery. The prisoner was further charged with stealing £5 from a party with whom he had been drinking at the Horse and Jockey public house. The prisoner pleaded guity to this charge. The robbery was effected on the 5th Nov, the prosecutor being drunk at the time. The jury found the prisoner guilty of the former charge, and it appearing that some time ago he had been charged with committing a violent assault, in which he used a hammer, he was sentenced to being transported for seven years. John Kinnersle in the 1861 England Census Name: John Kinnersley Age: 36 Estimated birth year: 1825 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Newcastle under Lyme County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 1917 Folio: 25 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Richard Heath 38 Hannah Heath 27 Emma Heath 9 George Heath 5 William Heath 11/12 John Kinnerson 36 (Married) Shoe Maker Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%) HEATH Richard Newcastle L 17 131 KINNERSLEY Hannah Newcastle L 17 131 (Wife Maria claims to be a Widow on the 1871 census) 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Winsor Street, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England William Cook Head - Male 45 1826 - Staffordshire, England Eliza Cook Wife - Female 44 1827 - Staffordshire, England Edward Cook Son - Male 11 1860 - Staffordshire, England Joseph Cook Son - Male 8 1863 - Staffordshire, England John Kinnersley Brother-In-Law Shoe Maker Male 46 1825 - Staffordshire, England William Cook Father - Male 68 1803 - Staffordshire, England Marriages Jun 1845 (>99%) Kinnersley Eliza Stoke on Tr 17 194 Cook William Stoke on Trent 17 194 Odd how the name varies from Kinnersley to Kinnerson! England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription First name(s) JOHN Last name KINNERSON Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1824 Age 54 Death quarter 4 Death year 1878 District Newcastle under Lyme County Staffordshire Volume 6B Page 45 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	17 Aug 2017 14:56
	1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shoreditch, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England William Kinersly Male 45 1796 Butcher Staffordshire, England Julian Kinersly Female 45 1796 Staffordshire, England Meriah Kinersly Female 20 1821 Staffordshire, England John Kinersly Male 15 1826 Shoe Maker Staffordshire, England Eliza Kinersly Female 14 1827 Staffordshire, England Hannah Kinersly Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England Levi Kinersly Male 3 1838 Staffordshire, England William Kinnersley in the 1851 England Census Name: William Kinnersley Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1795 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Juliana Kinnersley Gender: Male Where born: Sapperton, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Newcastle under Lyme County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme Sub-registration district: Whitmore ED, institution, or vessel: 1i Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 101 Piece: 2001 Folio: 284 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age William Kinnersley 56 (Butcher) Juliana Kinnersley 56 Maria Kinnersley 30 Hannah Kinnersley 17 Levi Kinnersley 4 Prickles :o))
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	18 Aug 2017 09:54
	Harriet's half brother Thomas....... KINNERSLEY, THOMAS MMN MURPHY GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UNDER LYME Volume 06B Page 49 British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription First name(s) Thomas Last name Kinnersley Next of Kin: Mother Maria of Newcastle under Lyme Birth year 1855 Birth parish Newcastle under Lyme Birth town Newcastle under Lyme Birth county Staffordshire Birth country England Service number 2065 Regiment 38th Foot Year 1879 Attestation date 23 Jul 1879 Attestation age years 24 Attestation age months 6 Attestation service number 2065 Attestation corps 38th Foot Discharge corps 38th Foot Document type Attestation Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913 Archive The National Archives Archive reference WO 97 Box 3238 Box record number 23 Record set British Army Service Records Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain, England Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%) Kinnersley Thomas Newcastle L 6b 110 WILSON Georgina Newcastle L. 6b 110 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 20 Long Row Little Madeley Newcastle Staffordshire, Madeley, Staffordshire, England Thomas Kinnersley Head Married Male Coal Miner Hewer 57 1854 Newcastle Staff Georgina Kinnersley Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Madeley Staff Thomas Wilson Kinnersley Son Single Male Coal Miner Hewer 21 1890 Madeley Staff Frank Kinnersley Son Single Male Working Under Ground Braker 15 1896 Madeley Staff William Kinnersley Son - Male School 12 1899 Madeley Staff Irene Kinnersley Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Madeley Staff Joseph Arthur Kinnersley Son - Male - 3 1908 Madeley Staff John Kinnersley Son - Male - 1 1910 Madeley Staff Married 23 years....9 children bron, 6 living, 3 had died. England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription First name(s) THOMAS Last name KINNERSLEY Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1854 Age 74 Death quarter 1 Death year 1928 District Newcastle under Lyme County Staffordshire Volume 6B Page 65 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	18 Aug 2017 10:26
	Harriet's half bother Alfred....... KINNERSLEY, ALFRED MMN MURPHY GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in NEW CASTLE UNDER LYME Volume 06B Page 46 Staffordshire marriages Transcription First name(s) Alfred Last name Kinnersley Age 25 Birth year 1856 Marriage year 1881 Marriage date 21 Mar 1881 Marriage place Newcastle under Lyme, St George Denomination Anglican Residence Fletcher Street Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Kinnersley Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann Spouse's last name Webb Spouse's age 38 Spouse's residence Fletcher Street Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Fisher County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3411/2/5 Page 92 Register type Marriage Record set Staffordshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from England, Great Britain Mary Ann's first marriage.... Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%) Fisher Mary Ann Newcastle L. 6b 99 WEBB James Newcastle L. 6b 99 I can't find him on the 1911 census......I can't find a Military Record and i can't seem to find a death.
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Member Since: September 2006 Posts: 11 Send Message	David	Report	18 Aug 2017 11:26
	PricklyHolly Big Thank you for that effort.... i do not know how you do it, in fact to all of you who have helped.. Thank you very much :-)
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	18 Aug 2017 11:46
	My pleasure David. It only took me 5hrs. :-D Prickles. ;o))
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	18 Aug 2017 12:01
	Georgina Kinnersley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Georgina Kinnersley Death Age: 78 Birth Date: abt 1869 Registration Date: Dec 1947 Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 9b Page: 259 Georgina Kinnersley on the 1939 Register Kinnersley Household (4 People) 20 Long Row , Newcastle-under-Lyme R.D., Staffordshire, England Georgina Kinnersley 25 Jan 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 81 1 Thomas Wilson Kinnersley 01 Dec 1889 Male Collier Hewer Single 81 2 Joseph Arthur Kinnersley 13 Oct 1907 Male General Labourer Brick Works Single 81 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed.
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