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(no, Bigamy didn't relate Margy, just an item which was seen!)

Chris :)

All very puzzling!, this 'Marriage'!.

I don't think the bigamist is our Mary Ann as she would have had her daughter Alice in 1879 and probably pregnant with Harry born 1881!

In the 1901 census William Thompson was 14 born Hull so the family must have been in Hull 1887 living with his mother Mary Ann who is now married to Frank Booth 1901

Well found Chris- that must be it!

So on the 1911 census she's telling the truth when she says her birth place is Wales!

(not seeing on GRO yet!)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1861 (>99%)
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ILIFE Mary Ann Swansea 11a 455


Edits (no wonder not seen on 1861 FMP, lol)

William Stiffe Clydach Village, Llangafelach, Swansea, Glamorganshire

Yes, sorry- added afterwards. Still not seeing Mary's birth though.

Off out now- will pop back later :-)

(well done 1861 AQ, I'd seen below earlier when looking)

ILIFFE, HARRIET (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in WATFORD UNION Volume 03A Page 269

(Southampton?, lol, if above is her!)

Chris :)

Edits (just see you have found Birth too)

This looks like the family in 1861- Mary born Glamorgan:

Name: Mary A Iliffe
Age: 4/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Iliffe
Mother's name: Charlotte Iliffe
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangefelach, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangyfelach
Ecclesiastical parish: Clydach St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilotalybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 69

Piece: 4095 Folio: 10 Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Iliffe 28 Southampton
Charlotte Iliffe 26 Southampton
Harriet Iliffe 3 Southampton
Mary A Iliffe 4/12 Glamorgan
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Children baptised Woodford by Thrapston

Name: Harriet Iliffe
Baptism Date: 31 Dec 1865
Baptism Place: Woodford, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Woodford
Register Type: Bishops Transcripts
Father: William Iliffe
Mother: Charlotte Iliffe

Name: Mary Ann Iliffe
Baptism Date: 31 Dec 1865
Baptism Place: Woodford by Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Woodford
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father: William Iliffe
Mother: Charlotte Iliffe

Also baptisms for children John & Elizabeth on the same day
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ILIFFE, HARRIET mmn: LOWTH
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in WATFORD UNION Volume 03A Page 269

(not relevant as such with query!, but taking the Iliffe's (Variants) back, that 1871 with birthplaces is dodgy!, for a start below, not found Mary A...)

Chris :)

Birth
ILIFFE, JOHN (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in WELLS Volume 05C Page 637

Birth
ILIFFE, ELIZABETH (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 293

Birth
ILIFFE, SUSANNA (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in SEVENOAKS Volume 02A Page 511

Birth
ILIFFE, ANN (LOWETH)
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in THRAPSTON Volume 03B Page 196


1871 (Find My Past)
William Iliffe Head - Male 38 1833 - Northamptonshire, England (Lab. at Iron Works)
Charlotte Iliffe Wife - Female 36 1835 - Northamptonshire, England
Mary A Iliffe Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Northamptonshire, England
John Iliffe Son - Male 10 1861 - Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Iliffe Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Northamptonshire, England
Ann Iliffe Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Northamptonshire, England
Susan Iliffe Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Iliffe Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Northamptonshire, England
Railway Station
Parish Burton Latimer
County Northamptonshire
Registration district Kettering
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1502
Folio 42
Page 45


Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Iliffe William Oundle 3b 457
Louth Charlotte Oundle 3b 457


Birth
ILIFF, CHARLOTTE (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 163


Northamptonshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name ILIFFE
Birth year 1833
Death year 1893
Age 60
Burial year 1893
Burial day 19
Burial month Jun
Residence Burton Latimer
Parish BURTON LATIMER


23 June 1893 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire

IRTHLINGBOROUGH.
An inquest was held at the Bull Inn, on Saturday afternoon, before Mr. J. T. Parker, coroner, inquire into the death of William Iliff, of Burton Latimer, who fell from a straw stack on Thursday week...Henry Buck, manager to the Irthlingborough Iron Ore Company, said deceased worked for him as a labourer, and was 60 years of age...


First name(s) CHARLOTTE
Last name ILIFFE
Birth year 1836
Death year 1875
Age 39
Burial year 1875
Burial day 21
Burial month Oct
Residence Burton Latimer
Parish BURTON LATIMER


1881 (Find My Past)
New Town, Finedon Street, Burton-Latimer, Kettering
William Iliffe Head Widower Male 48 1833 Laborer At Iron Works Leicestershire, England
John Iliffe Son Single Male 19 1862 Ag Lab Somerset, England
Laura Iliffe Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Little Harrowden, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Iliffe Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Isham, Northamptonshire, England
Sarah Iliffe Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire, England
William Iliffe Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Hull Housekeeper Married Female 30 1851 Housekeeper Grafton Underwood, Northamptonshire, England
Charles Edmund Brains Housekeepers Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Grafton Underwood, Northamptonshire, England


1891 (Find My Past)
Finedon Street, Burton Latimer, Kettering,
William Iliffe Head Married Male 58 1833 Furnace Labourer Leicestershire, England
Charlotte E Iliffe Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Northamptonshire, England
William Iliffe Son Single Male 17 1874 Pressman Shoe Trade Northamptonshire, England
Frank Iliffe Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Northamptonshire, England
Albert Iliffe Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire, England
Alice Iliffe Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire, England
Percy J Iliffe Son - Male 0 1891 - Northamptonshire, England


Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
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Brains Charlotte Elizabeth Kettering 3b 324b
HULL Thomas Kettering 3b 324b


Birth
ILIFFE, PERCY JAMES (BRAINES)
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in KETTERING Volume 03B Page 200

Birth
BRAINES, CHARLES EDMUND -
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in KETTERING Volume 03B Page 195


Birth (first wife)
ILIFFE, WILLIAM (LOWTH)
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in KETTERING Volume 03B Page 180


County Northamptonshire
Place Polebrook
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 237
Baptism date 07 May 1832
Person forename Charlotte
Person abode Polebrook
Father forename Thomas
Father surname LOWTH
Father occupation Laborer
Mother forename Mary


County Northamptonshire
Place Polebrook
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 48
Marriage date 17 Dec 1827
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname LOUTH
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname NEGUS
Bride condition spinster
Witness Sarah NEGUS
Witness Edmund NEGUS
Register note She signs X.


Burial
County Northamptonshire
Place Polebrook
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 156
Burial date 13 Mar 1835
Person age 43
Burial person forename Thomas
Burial person surname LOWTH
Burial person abode Polebrook


Burial
County Northamptonshire
Place Burton Latimer
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 572
Burial date 1 Aug 1891
Person age 20
Burial person forename Charles Edmund
Burial person surname BRAINES
Burial person abode Burton Latimer


https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(1841 Charlotte Louth, Oundle Workhouse. 1851 Charlotte Lowth, Servant, Aylesbury, Bucks.)

Good going there AQ, below wouldn't surprise me either, lol)

Chris :)

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Ancestry)

Charles Thompson Leicestershire 1892
(unlawfully assaulting for the purpose of a prize fight. Fined £15)


(and no idea on below!)

Mary Ann Thompson Leicestershire 1886

(Bigamy. 3mths. Acquitted)


Edits (no!, would be below)

22 May 1886 - Leicester Chronicle - Leicester, Leicestershire, England

LECESTERSHIRE AND DERBYSHIRE.ASSIZES.
Alleged Bigamy at Leicester.
Mary Ann Thompson (26) factory - hand, was indicted for feloniously marrying Frederick George Young, at Leicester, on the 8th November, 1880, her husband, James Thompson, being then alive. — Mr. Toller prosecuted. Prisoner ...


Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
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THOMPSON Mary Ann Leicester 7a 412
YOUNG Frederick George Leicester 7a 412

(previous, must have been young!)

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Morris Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 45
Thompson James Birmingham 6d 45

I can't find a birth for the second Hannah (born 12 Oct 1893)

But this is likely her death:

Deaths Mar 1895
Thompson Hannah age 1 Hull 9d 197

Gro lists her age as 17 (months)

Wondering about this birth for Alice ?:

BLOXAM, ALICE mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 543

although I think the only way to be certain would be to order the certificate.
-----------------------

Another possible article re Charles:

Leicester Journal - Friday 11 July 1879

Charles Springthorpe of Tilton, engine cleaner, charged Charles Thompson, a navvy, with i stealing shovel, value 2s.- Prosecutor said he missed the shovel Wednesday morning, the 2nd inst. It was all right on his premises on previous Sunday. The next day he accompanied P.C. Furnidge to Leicester, and met with the prisoner, who said he left the shovel on railway bank. P.C. Furnidge said when he charged prisoner with steeling the shovel, he said he left it on the bank near the Twyford viaducts. Had that morning been to the viaducts and found the shovel where prisoner had stated.- Prisoner told the Bench that prosecutor's wife lent him the shovel, " Don't tell Charlie, he'll grumble like fun," and that his ( the prisoner's) wife told prosecutor that he was using the shovel. Prosecutor re-called, said the latter statement was true. —The chairman reprimanded the prisoner for his ingratitude in not returning the shovel, and released him. At the request of Inspector Holloway, P.C Kestin and P.C. Cobley were appointed special constables at Loddington and Marefield, the conduct of the navvies at those places being, it was stated, very disorderly.

1881 the family were living Keyham.

This is possibly where the story of the policeman came from:

Leicester Chronicle - Saturday 06 August 1881

Keyham.
Charles Thompson, navvy, Keyham, was charged with assaulting P.C. Bosworth whilst in the execution of his duty at the above place on the Ist inst. The constable stated that he saw defendant and another man fighting on Monday night, about eleven o'clock, at Keyham. He went to stop them, and defendant kicked him and knocked him down. He afterwards apprehended him, and whilst in his custody defendant declared he would finish him. Defendant was fined 40s., costs 24s. 6d., or one month's hard labour.

But Harry would have been born Keyham Leicestershire area according to census.

And Alice born Burton Latimer/ Rugby

(only seems to be below!)

Chris :)

THOMPSON, HARRY -
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 277


Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1881

THOMPSON Harry Myton Hull MYT/130/393

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

:) thanks Chris!

It's a toughy- wondering if the births of Alice and Henry weren't registered. Or, they were registered in a different surname- but it's difficult as they both married using Thompson.

I'll have a scout around the newpapers a bit later- fingers crossed something will turn up.

(lol AQ, I'm out today, but will be thinking of you, don't get headache!)

Chris :)

(will look in later!)

I think Banner is the Hannah birth I posted?:

THOMPSON, HANNAH mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 261

and Hannah's death:

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)

Thompson Hannah [41] Hull 9d 159
Image gives age as 1
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This looks to be Alice's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1899

THOMPSON Alice Hull 9d 404
Woodall Frank Hull 9d 404
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1911:
Name: Alice Woodall
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Street address: 24 Upper Union St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Hull
Registration District Number: 522
Sub-registration district: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 28761
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Woodall 31
Alice Woodall 31
Frank Woodall 11
Annie Hembrough Woodall 10
Bertha Marion Woodall 8
Doris Woodall 5
John Woodall 1
--------------------------------

and Alice death:

Name: Alice Woodall
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Dec 1921
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d Page: 261

(that 1939 reference/Emily)

Chris :)

Ivy House Farm Allerthorpe , Pocklington R.D., Yorkshire (East Riding)
Emily Main 13 Apr 1895 Female Help Married
Fred Brocklebank 11 Mar 1889 Male Farmer Single
Sheila M Allison (Smith) 17 Nov 1906 Female House Keeper Single
Betty Hall (Sutton) 25 Jul 1926 Female At School Single ?
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Margaret Cull (Lazenby) 21 Feb 1932 Female At School Single


(probably below?)

4 Mason (Smeaton) Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding),
Roland Main 14 Sep 1895 Male Boiler Fireman Heavy Worker Married
James A Clappison 21 Aug 1900 Male Paid Capstan Man


Edits (Banner Thompson 13 June 1889?, looking a mystery?)

I think dame is 'same'?

I'd be careful following another tree, unless you can see the sources they've used.

This is an example- I can't see the tree you mention- however, there is a Wright/Snow/Benton family tree. They have Alice with parents Charles Thompson and Mary A Iliffe. This is the birth they have for Alice

Name Alice Maud Thompson
Registration Year 1880
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Rugby
Inferred County Warwickshire
Volume 6d Page 577

However, using the GRO it shows mother's name is Walden (so not the correct Alice):

THOMPSON, ALICE MAUD mmn: WALDEN
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 577
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I'm still looking into this- and will probably carry on tomorrow now, but looking at the birth date given for Emily I can see she married Roland Main in 1921:

Marriages Dec 1921

Main Roland Thompson Hull 9d 586
Thompson Emily Main Hull 9d 586

She's on the 1939 register with the same birth date (I don't have access to view the record).

1939:
Brocklebank Household Pocklington R.D., Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Emily Main 13 April 1895
Fred Brocklebank and 3 more people are on this record
2 more people who are officially closed