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Hoping someone can help me out with finding a family living at an address in Melton Mowbray in the early 1927. I understand that the street has since been demolished, what I have so far is a John/ James Goodman 21 Queens Street, I'd like to find out he names of the rest of the household and their ages. Many Thanks for any info.

There really is no way of doing this, and there won't be in future. No such records were made. Imagine, 90 years from now, someone wanting to know the composition of your household in 2017. Unless you buried a time capsule and left directions to it ...

The ten-year census is pretty much all there will be.

1921 census (not yet available)
1931 census (English census completely destroyed by fire in 1942)
1939 register (available at findmypast)

The one thing you can do, since you have the address, is consult the electoral roll at the local library where it is held. That will show any adults at the address eligible to vote.

Can't find anything on the 1939 Register.

EDIT - Have now found 21 Queen Street in 1939 but at that time the occupier was Christopher Shaw, born 1879 and was a widower who was disabled in the war.

You could try contacting the library in Melton Mowbray and asking if they would check the electoral register for 1927, but at that time not too many people had the vote and the house may have been rented out so I don't know how successful this would be for you.

Kath. x

Presume it's related to this 2006 query? :

"Is there anyone on this list that lives in Melton Mowbray that could look up
the Electorial register for numbers 12,13 and 21 Queen street, I am up against
a massive brick wall,the problem is as follows,
my uncle William Goodman was born at 21 Queen street his mother was
Elizabeth Emily Rimmington,born 1904,her address was given on Williams birth
certificate as 12 Queen Street,his Father's name on his birth certificate was John
William Goodman,blast furnace labourer,they were not married"

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2006-08/1156158867

William Goodman
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name
William Goodman
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1881
Event Place
Melton-Mowbray, Leicestershire, England
Registration District
Melton-Mowbray
Residence Note
Queen St xxxxxxx
Gender
Male
Age
48
Marital Status (Original)
Married
Occupation
Railway Labour
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1833
Birthplace
Whissendine, Rutlandshire, England
Page Number
20
Registration Number
RG11
Piece/Folio
3183/13
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Goodman
Head
M
48
Whissendine, Rutlandshire, England
Sarah Goodman
Wife
F
44
Whissendine, Rutlandshire, England
William Goodman
Son
M
12
Wales
James Bollands
Lodger
M
23
Sendine, Rutlandshire, England
Thomas White
Lodger
M
40
Nottingham, England

Sarah Goodman
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name
Sarah Goodman
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1891
County
Leicestershire
Parish
Melton Mowbray
Ecclesiastical Parish
MELTON MOWBRAY
Registration District
Melton Mowbray
Residence Note
Queen Street xxxxxx
Gender
Female
Age
56
Marital Status
Married
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)
1835
Birthplace
Rutlandshire, England
Page Number
37
Registration Number
RG12
Piece/Folio
2544/ 22
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Goodman
Head
M
59
Rutlandshire, England
Sarah Goodman
Wife
F
56
Rutlandshire, England
John W Goodman
Son
M
22
Radnorshire, England

The John William Goodman identified by malyon in the 1891 census would be a good candidate

Name: John W Goodman
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Goodman
Mother's name: Sarah Goodman
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanere, Radnorshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Melton Mowbray
Occupation: Ironmonger's Porter

... except is he likely to have had a child in 1927 when he was nearly 60 years old?

Perhaps he had a son ...


edit -- Oh, and except that the rest of your rootsweb query says:

'on looking at the 1881 and 1991 census there was a William Goodman and his
son John William Goodman born 1869 living at 13 Queen Street ,in the 1901 census the parents are no longer alive ,the son John William Goodman was married and living in Bentley Street, ... John William subsequently died in September 1901,I searched for a birth of a John William Goodman for the whole of 1901 and 1902 with no success in Melton thinking that his wife was pregnant when he died and that she had a son that she had named after him,as it stands I dont know whether it was a massive coincidence that his Father had exactly the same name as the John William that lived a few doors away 26 years previously'

Always a really good idea to tell us everything you already know.



Do you know whether the child's mother was a domestic servant?


Should we assume that since it has been over a decade since the request AustinQ found, you have consulted the electoral register and it did not provide any help?

The 1869 John Goodman died in 1901:

John W Goodman
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John W Goodman
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ann M Goodman
Birth Place: Radnorshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Melton Mowbray
Ecclesiastical parish: Melton Mowbray St Mary
Town: Melton Mowbray
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: 18 Bentley Street
Occupation:
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Sub-registration district: Melton Mowbray
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3011
Folio: 78
Page Number: 25
Household schedule number: 162
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Goodman 32
Ann M Goodman 31 - born Eaton, Leics.
Eva Goodman 4



Ann May Goodman
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ann May Goodman
[Ann May Matthews]
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Eaton, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Branston and Eaton
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Eaton Grantham
Marital Status: Widowed <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Cook House Keeper
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Registration District Number: 408
Sub-registration district: Waltham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 19359
Household Members:
Name Age
Coroline Matthews 76
Ann May Goodman 39
Eva Goodman 14


Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
Goodman John William 32 Melton M. 7a 192

Argyllgran, I was just editing to add the bit that AustinQ hadn't quoted from the earlier enquiry, so Haribo was indeed aware of that JWGoodman and his death ...

Thanks for all the positive replies... Very possible that the William/ Sarah Goodman is the right family.

and just for our info and clarity:

Births Sep 1927
Goodman William V J Rimmington Melton M. 7a 471
Rimmington William V J Rimmington Melton M. 7a 471

his death

Name: William Victor J Goodman
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1927
Date of Registration: Jan 1999
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London

and presumably his family is aware of his birth circumstances.



a coincidence presumably that the man his mother married a year later was a William J:

Marriages Sep 1928
Brown William J Rimmington Melton M. 7a 1005
Rimmington Elizabeth E Brown Melton M. 7a 1005

Spot on.... Very impressed with all of you ancestor hunters.

This just clarifies for us that his parents were not married, since he was registered in both surnames, and that his father was present or consented to the registration in his name.

Do you know anything else about the circumstances - for instance my question about whether Elizabeth was a domestic servant?

(I ask because my gr-grmother's first child was a result of a non-consensual event with the head of household's son in the household where she was a servant, and I don't think it was too rare a situation. In her case, the child was given the father's surname as a middle name, which was common, probably because there was no consent, or request for consent, to register with his surname.)

My findmypast sub has expired. The household in 1939 shows:

William J Brown 1887
Robert K Brown and 2 more people are on this record
3 more people who are officially closed

but I can't tweak it to show me Elizabeth - I only see one other birth to the marriage besides Robert, so the three closed records would be that child, William Goodman, and someone else, and presumably the two other older individuals would include Elizabeth.

I'm just wondering whether the William J Brown whom Elizabeth married was somehow the Goodman shown on the birth reg, using another surname for some reason.

What was his occupation, do you know?

Haribo ..............

are you wasting our time having us look for information that you already have?

Household (7 People)
?40 Pall Mall , Melton Mowbray U.D., Leicestershire, England

Robert K Brown 16 May 1929 Male At School Single 119 2
William J Brown 31 Jul 1887 Male General Labourer Married 119 1

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Hilda E Carter 19 Jan 1902 Female Udd Married 119 5
Albert A Carter 13 Oct 1921 Male General Labourer Single 119 6

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Thanks Pam, so there was another woman and her 2 children living at the same address as William J Brown and the 2 Brown children and 1 Goodman child (presumably), but what of Elizabeth, I wonder?

Marriages Sep 1921
Carter Amos Jackson Basford 7b 505
Jackson Hilda E Carter Basford 7b 505

matches birth of Albert A Carter.

tangly but I'm not really helping with the question :-)

Saw below...

Chris :)

Leicestershire burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Goodman
Age 58
Birth year 1836
Death year 1894
Burial year 1894
Burial date 29 Jun 1894
Burial place Melton Mowbray
Denomination Anglican
(Abode, Queen Street)


First name(s) William
Last name Goodman
Age 65
Birth year 1827
Death year 1892
Burial year 1892
Burial date 05 Oct 1892
Burial place Melton Mowbray
Denomination Anglican
(Abode, Queen Street)


Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
Goodman William 65 Melton M. 7a 175


08 October 1892 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

Railway Fatalaties.
Late on Saturday night, the dead body of a man was found near Old Dalby Station, on the Midland Railway, between Nottingham and Melton Mowbray, and on examination it proved to be the body of a man named William Goodman, of Queen- street, Melton, an old servant of the company. It appears that on Saturday evening the deceased was instructed to proceed to the cutting at Old Dalby for the purpose of placing fog signals on the line.
It is believed the man was knocked down by the express from Nottingham...

(Martha Goodman, a niece of deceased said her Uncle was over 65 years of age, she saw him alive about ten past seven, when he was at her home at Old Dalby, he left at half past seven, and was well and perfectly sober, he always stayed with her on Sundays. a verdict of accidental death was returned)


Leicestershire baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Elizabeth Emily
Last name Rimmington
Baptism year 1905
Baptism date 02 Aug 1905
Baptism place Melton Mowbray
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Father's first name(s) Albert John
Mother's first name(s) Charlotte Harriet


07 October 1911 - Leicester Daily Mercury - Leicester, Leicestershire

Albert John Rimmington. labourer. Melton Mowbray, was charged with deserting his wife and three children, whereby they became chargeable to the common fund of the Melton Union.
He said it was impossible for him to live with his wife.


Leicestershire banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John William
Last name Goodman
Residence Melton Mowbray
Banns year 1895
Banns date 06 Jan 1895
Spouse's first name(s) Ann Mary
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse's residence St Matthews, Nottingham
Denomination Anglican
Place Melton Mowbray


Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Goodman John William Nottingham 7b 347
Smith Ann Mary Nottingham 7b 347