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Ian James
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8 Jun 2017 21:19 |
Grateful for any information on the above Inn, and on George Heal, landlord who died in 1895, Would anyone know where it was in Nicholashayne. George also ran a pub (long demolished)in Bampton ? Red Lion in Back STreet. Many thanks
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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8 Jun 2017 21:35 |
Have you tried googling it , sometimes info will be online
Don't think any helpers would just know and google will be the way to go
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8 Jun 2017 21:45 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Red Lion Inn, Back Street, Bampton, Tiverton, Devon, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Heal Head Married Male 53 1828 Licensed Victualler Devon, England Transcription Flora Heal Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Holcombe Rogus, Devon, England Transcription Elsa Heal Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Assistant Cruwys Morchard, Devon, England Transcription Ernest Heal Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Devon, England Transcription William Ross Boarder Widower Male 72 1809 Traveller France Transcription John Courtney Boarder Married Male 37 1844 Railway Lb Barnstaple, Devon, England Transcription Henry Griffin Boarder Single Male 21 1860 Railway Lb Exeter, Devon, England
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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8 Jun 2017 22:20 |
1871 England Census
Name: George Heal Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Flora Heal Gender: Male Where born: Washford Pyne, Devon, England Civil Parish: Cruwys Morchard Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Tiverton Sub-registration district: Washfield ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 103 Piece: 2174 Folio: 80 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age George Heal 46 Dairyman************** Flora Heal 43 Mary H Heal 16 Walter James Heal 10 Arthur Heal 8 Robert Heal 6 Edra Heal 3 Dau Ernest Heal 1
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8 Jun 2017 23:01 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Cross Keys Inn, Nicholashayne, Culmstock, Williton****, Somerset, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Heal Head Married Male 67 1824 Inn Keeper Washford Pyne, Devon, England Flora Heal Wife Married Female 62 1829 - Holcombe Rogus, Devon, England Arthur Heal Son Single Male 27 1864 General Labourer Devon, England Edra Heal Daughter Single Female 23 1868 - Devon, England Tom D P Heal Grandson - Male 7 1884 Scholar Culmstock, Devon, England
**** Think this should read Wellington.
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Ian James
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9 Jun 2017 07:42 |
Thank you all for the useful information. I did find an entry in 1911 census whichwould indicate the inn had 11 rooms, so fairly substantial. Maybe now a private property so I will arrange to visit the village whenthe weather improves. Thanks again. Ian
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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9 Jun 2017 09:08 |
http://pubshistory.com/Devon/Culmstock/CrossKeys.shtml
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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9 Jun 2017 09:14 |
1893/George Heal/../../../Kellys Directory
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alviegal
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9 Jun 2017 15:12 |
CULLOMPTON PETTY SESSIONS. George Heal, Flora Heal, and Ernest Heal, father, wife, and son, occupying the Cross Keys. Nicholshayes, Culmstock, were summoned for assaulting Mr William Henry Pearce, a local farmer.
Western Times 27 July 1887
Basically they said that Flora was assaulted by the customer who was drunk and would not leave when asked to. George and Ernest then got involved and a fight broke out.
The customer said that he had been attacked by George when George overheard a conversation and thought that he was being blamed for something. Ernest and Flora then waded in also.
The Bench considered the attack on Pearce was unjustified and the Heals were collectively fined £1 12s 6d, inclusive of costs. The Bench considered an attack had been made on Flora but there had been extenuating circumstances and Pearce was ordered to pay costs of 11s 6d.
At the Cullompton Petty Sessions yesterday George Heal, landlord of the Cross Keys publichouse, Culmstoek, was fined two guineas, including costs, for serving liquor to person in a state of partial intoxication. His licence was not, however, endorsed.
01 June 1886 - Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Exeter, Devon, England
CULLOMPTON.
The transfers of licenses took place :-The Cross Nicholashayne, Culmstock, from Flora Heal to Jas Holway
03 November 1896 - Western Times - Exeter, Devon, England
I thought there might be some indication in these reports as to where exactly the Cross Keys Inn was but I'm afraid there isn't.
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Ian James
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9 Jun 2017 16:10 |
Many thanks Shirley, Mel and Aviegal. Thank you for your time I am most grateful. The Heal line I am assisting have virtually no details of their ancestors, so everything is a bonus. Ian
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9 Jun 2017 21:38 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription West Apps, Oakford, Tiverton & Dulverton, Devon, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place Arthur Heal Male 45 1796 Devon, England Transcription Ann Heal Female 40 1801 Devon, England Transcription William Heal Male 25 1816 Devon, England Transcription John Heal Male 20 1821 Devon, England Transcription Arthur Heal Male 20 1821 Devon, England Transcription George Heal Male 15 1826 Devon, England Transcription James Heal Male 14 1827 Devon, England Transcription Mary Heal Female 13 1828 Devon, England Transcription Susan Heal Female 9 1832 Devon, England Transcription Harriett Heal Female 7 1834 Devon, England Transcription Jane Heal Female 5 1836 Devon, England Transcription Edward Stile Male 14 1827 Devon, England
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lower Oakford, Oakford, Tiverton, Devon, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Heal Head Married Male 28 1823 Ag Labourer Washford Pyne, Devon, England Transcription Flora Heal Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Dulverton, Somerset, England Transcription Caroline J Heal Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Huntsham, Devon, England Transcription Mary A Turner Visitor Unmarried Female 23 1828 General Servt West Anstey, Devon, England
His marriage?
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
Learn more Print transcription View image First name(s) GEORGE Last name HEAL Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1847 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ GEORGE HEAL married one of these people >>Flora Godfrey<<, Elizabeth Harding, Ann Moore District Tiverton District number - County Devon Country England Volume 10 Page 405
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alviegal
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9 Jun 2017 21:51 |
Another daughter. She marries in 1871.
Devon Baptisms Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) Flora Godfrey Last name Heal Birth year - Baptism year 1851 Baptism date 20 Apr 1851 Denomination Anglican Baptism place Oakford Father's first name(s) George Mother's first name(s) Flora Mother's last name - County Devon
Ah here they are mistranscribed in 1861.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Case Lane, Cruwys Morchard, Tiverton, Devon, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Kale Head Married Male 36 1825 Dairymen Washford Pyne, Devon, England Transcription Flora Kale Wife Married Female 32 1829 Dairymen Wife Holcombe Rogus, Devon, England Transcription Sarah A Kale Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 Dairymen Daughter Oakford, Devon, England Transcription Caroline J Kale Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Dairymen Daughter Huntsham, Devon, England Transcription Flora G Kale Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Dairymen Daughter Oakford, Devon, England Transcription William G Kale Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 Dairymen Son Oakford, Devon, England Transcription Mary H Kale Daughter - Female 6 1855 Dairymen Daughter Brushford, Somerset, England Transcription John Kale Son - Male 3 1858 Dairymen Son East Anstey, Devon, England Transcription George Kale Son - Male 1 1860 Dairymen Son East Anstey, Devon, England
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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9 Jun 2017 22:15 |
Think this could be George on the 1841. He had a son Arthur and a sister Mary two names from this family.
1841 England Census
Name: George Heal Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Oakford Hundred: Witheridge County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Westapps ??
Registration district: Tiverton and Dulverton Sub-registration district: Washfield Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 261 Book: 1 Folio: 7 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Heal 45 1796 Farmer Ann Heal 40 William Heal 25 John Heal 20 Arthur Heal 20 George Heal 15 James Heal 14 Mary Heal 13 Susan Heal 9 Harriett Heal 7 Jane Heal 5 Eward Stile 14
1861 England Census
Name: George Heal Age: 36 Estimated birth year: 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Flora Heal Gender: Male Where born: Washford Pyne, Devon, England Civil Parish: Cruwys Morchard County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Tiverton Sub-registration district: Washfield ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Piece: 1481 Folio: 38 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Heal 36 Flora Heal 32 Sarah A Heal 14 Caroline J Heal 12 Flora G Heal 10 William G Heal 8 Mary H Heal 6 John Heal 3 George Heal 1
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jun 2017 23:19 |
Going by the 1891 census, the properties listed both before and after the Cross Keys all seem to be farms. All widely scattered, as far as I can see, and all on unnamed lanes. Everywhere in Nicholashayne has the same postcode, so that's no help.
There's a map on this page, showing some of the farms listed on the census: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/dblock/GB-308000-114000/page/12
The Cross Keys is the 13th property listed in Nicholashayne.
However, even Googling the names of the houses listed on either side of it doesn't really give any indication of where they were..
The first property listed is Furze House, which still exists, though I don't know exactly where. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4824852
Somewhere between there and No 12 is Pond Farm (Firefox is freezing on me now, so I'll give up on this for the moment.) Pond Farm - still exists. Numerous references to it on Google, but no directions. There's a Pond Lane in Nicholashayne, so presumably somewhere around there. Pond House is now the home of a horse trainer, and looking at this map: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/place/Nicholashayne_in_Devon_421611_227611.htm it shows stables, which I think are on Pond Lane.
Also somewhere between 1 and 12 (can't look at the image at the moment - screen freezing) is Taylor's Farm.
No 12 is Norrishes
No 14 has an unreadable name, but I think it's just a farm cottage.
No 15 is Nicholashayne Farm. Per Zoopla, Nicholashayne Farm "is on an unnamed road with 15 houses on it".
No 16 is Down's Green. No 17 is down Green Cottage. Down Green is "on the road from Upcott Farm" . https://tinyurl.com/ycvkwqpd
18 is Tor Buddle Farm
19 is Windwhistle 20 is Burgess Cottage
21 is Upcott. Upcott Cottages are "on the road from Nicholashayne Cross to Upcott Farm". [TinyURL won't create a TinyURl for this.]
22 - nameless 23 - Northend
24 - Quants Farm Here is a modern house built on the site of the original Quants Farm, with directions: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-37969573.html
25 - Chorley Farm 26 & 27 - nameless (farm labourers' cottages)
28 - Lane End. Searching for Lane End on Streetview, it certainly shows a house at the end of a lane! Just downhill from it is Quants Barn.
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alviegal
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10 Jun 2017 11:50 |
This 'regular' at the Inn stayed at Red Ball, Culmstock.
EAST DEVON AND EAST OF THE EXE. Sessions on Monday, Charles Rossiter, of Red Culmstock, old offender, pleaded guilty being diunk while in charge of, horse, Culmstock ; also refusing quit, the Cross Keys Inn, holashayne, kept by George Heale. Sirs. Heal" said the defendant entered the 10 May 1895 - Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Exeter, Devon, England
This is an interesting site.
http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Culmstock/CumlstockinGregorysDirectoryof1894.htm
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10 Jun 2017 15:25 |
Using https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl we can look up greyhost's 1891 hit
1891 Census Piece: RG12/1872 Place: Wellington -Somerset Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Culmstock Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints Folio: 23 Page: 3 Schedule: 13 Address: Cross Keys Inn Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks HEAL George Head M M 67 Innkeeper(Em'ee) Devon - Washford Pyne HEAL Flora Wife M F 62 Devon - Holcombe Rogus HEAL Arthur Son S M 27 General Laborer(Em'ee) Devon - Cruwys Morchard HEAL Edra Daur S F 23 Devon - Cruwys Morchard HUNT Tom D P Grnson - M 7 Scholar Devon - Culmstock
The advantage of FreeCEN if you've no access to the images is that you can (repeatedly) click on the previous/next buttons to see adjacent households. One adjacent h/h is Norishes Farm just 100m across road - but it's now renamed or rebuilt as Sandy Lane, so that's not much help. This is exactly the approach that AG adopted, namely to try and trace the enumerator's path.
Look up the OS grid ref "ST 10280 16180" at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ to see where I think it was. I don't think the building exists anymore.You can alter the zoom levels - levels 1 and 2 are streetmaps; levels 2 and 4 are topological maps and are more suitable for rural lookups. (NB at zoom 3/4, the blue grid lines are 1 km apart - the ref I gave is to the nearest metre - a bit OTT)
You can also look up the same grid ref at: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html You want the 1889 Deven 1:2500 map. The most common scale is 1:10560, but this is really too small a scale to be useful. Click on the tab at top right of map with the square on it to turn off blue
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Ian James
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10 Jun 2017 16:38 |
I am so grateful for the most recent information received, including fromMel, ArgyllAnn ,Algieval an others. All this will enable me to build up a picture for the family, especially as they had no prior knowledge of George. Many thanks.
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