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Where did it go?...related to below (her Father, Hugh Jones)
Chris :)
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Hewitt Frederick Johnson Wrexham 11b 321
Jones Ellen Wrexham 11b 321
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Looks like its been deleted.
Andy :-(
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Do you mean this one (partially tidied up)
Patricia 4 Jun 2017 23:43
Ellen Jones was born 1869 and married Frederick Johnson Hewitt on the 26.09.1889 in Minera. Wrexham. According to the marriage certificate her father was Hugh Jones (miner but not coal). Hugh I think was born in Llarnarmon about 1833.
I don't know who her mother was but it has been said she was Hannah A Roberts born about 1834 in Dongelly
Would it be possible for someone to confirm that this is correct and if do did Ellen have siblings.
I know it's difficult to trace a family called Jones in Wales but I would be grateful.
Pat
patchem 23:47
Have you found Ellen with her family in 1871 and/or 1881 censuses?
Where do you believe Ellen was born?
Added:
Do you mean Llanarmon for Hugh's birthplace?
safc 23:51
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oak Cottage, Waste Lane, Thelwall, Warrington, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Johnson Hewitt Head Married Male 22 1869 Agricultural Labourer Thelwall, Cheshire, England
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Ellen Hewitt Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Minera, Derbyshire, England
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Annie Hewitt Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Grappenhall, Cheshire, England
Andrew 23:52
Hugh? 1871. No Ellen, but Eleanor.
Name: Hugh Jones Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanarmon, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Minera Ecclesiastical parish: Minera Town: Plas Gwyn
County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 5656 Folio: 107 Page Number: 20
>>>>>Hugh Jones 37 Lead Miner
Hannah Jones 36
Robt Jones 14
Ann Jones 8
Eleanor Jones 7
Harriet Jones 5
Hugh Jones 3
William Jones 1 Year, 2 Months
Gabriel Jones 15
Andy
safc 23:56
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Weaste Lane Farm Thelwall Near Warrington, Cheshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Frederick Hewitt Head Married Male Steelworks Labourer 42 1869 Thelwall Cheshire
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Ellen Hewitt Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Minera N Wales
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Annie Hewitt Daughter Single Female Domestic 21 1890 Thelwall
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Elizabeth Hewitt Daughter Single Female Domestic 18 1893 Thelwall
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Edith Hewitt Daughter Single Female Assisting At Home 14 1897 Thelwall
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Gladys Hewitt Daughter Single Female School 10 1901 Thelwall
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Mary Hewitt Daughter Single Female - 0 1911 Thelwall
Andrew 5 Jun 2017 00:02
Possible for her birth? Would fit with 1891/1911 alreday posted
JONES, ELLEN ROBERTS Order
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in HOLYWELL Volume 11B Page 282
Andy
Andrew 00:04
Possible parents marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
JONES Hugh Wrexham 11b 421
ROBERTS Hannah Wrexham 11b 421
Andy
patchem 00:05
1891 for Family from 1871:
Hannah Jones
Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Dolgelley, Merionethshire, Wales Civil Parish: Minera
Ecclesiastical parish: Minera Town: Minera County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham Sub registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 4616 Folio: 97 page Number: 27
Hannah Jones 57 widowed
Robert Jones 33
Harriet Jones 25
William Jones 21
Hannah Jones 16
Ancestry.com. 1891 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
patchem 00:11
1881 census for family?
Hannah Jones
Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Dolgellau Civil Parish: Minera
County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Street address: Pentre Bais
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Registration district: Wrexham Sub registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 5517 Folio: 99 Page Number: 24
Hannah Jones 47
Robert Jones 24
William Jones 11
Sarah Jones 9
Hannah Jones 6
Robert Jones 18
Class: RG11; Piece: 5517; Folio: 99; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1342326
patchem 00:19
This might be the Eleanor from 1871:
JONES, ELEANOR ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 11B Page 307
(but if she was 7 on that census, birth would be in 1863 or early 1864 - and there are several births for that)
Andrew 00:19
Possible for Ellen/Eleanor 1881
Name: Ellen Jones
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Minera, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bersham
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Coed Poeth Cross Foxes
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Gen Serv
Registration district: Wrexham
Sub registration district: 3A
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5515
Folio: 110
Page Number: 51
List of names removed
Andy
patchem 06:29
Patricia,
Why do you believe her birth year was 1869?
Do you know when and where she died?
Thanks
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Possibly Frederick's death:
Frederick J Hewitt
Birth Date: abt 1869 died age 59
Date of Registration: Mar 1928
Registration district: Runcorn
patchem 06:46
Frederick Hewitt is in a tree on ancestry. It has him marrying Ellen Jones (unknown parents) born 1865, 5 of their children, and Ellen's death in 1918 at age 53. It gives further information on Gladys Hewitt.
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I cannot see 'one below' - so has that been deleted also?
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Seems that way then Andy!.
Patchem was the Frederick Hewitt one, I added yesterday morning (witnesses on 1889 Marriage, Father of Hugh Jones on his Marriage, and possible Baptism of Hugh)
Oh well, that was that then, lol. Finished with it now!.
Chris :)
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Sorry I deleted the thread as I didn't think anything could be added to it. I copied alll the information, printed it and put it in a file for reference so it hasn't gone to waste.
Thank you for your input.
Pat
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Pat .................
why did you delete the thread???
All threads are stored on GR's own server, not on your computer. So it is not taking up space.
The advice is always to leave threads up
As you see from this thread, Chris found some information later.
Plus, other GR members use Search to find names that they might be interested in, and so you might have found a contact months or years from now.
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I'm sorry if I've upset people which wasn't the intention.
I thought it would be better to delete than people having to plough through old information.
By the way I have the marriage certificate of Ellen Jones and Frederick Johnson .Hewitt. They married on the 26th September, 1889 in Minerva Wrexham. That's how I knew Hugh Jones was her father. On the certificate he's just listed as a miner.
I've written to Chris, patchem and Andy to apologise.
If I ever post again I'll remember not to delete.
Pat
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