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Still trying to find Arthur

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Dorothy

Dorothy Report 12 Jun 2017 17:27

Thank you Maddie for your information about the lack of being able to find details from Canada, I did not know it would be so difficult with them being part of the commonwealth. I guess I may have to end my quest in search of Beatrice.
I started a new thread because I was just asking a question about Canada, now I see the importance of continuing when all the information is already on this thread. Sorry

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Jun 2017 17:25

As posted above - death records in Alberta are not public until after 50 years from date of death.

Similar rules apply in other states.

You can try Googling for an obituary, but I can't see anything for her.


EDIT:

You could try contacting these people:

http://www.servicealberta.ca/death-certificates.cfm

but I suspect you'd have to know the date of death already.

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 12 Jun 2017 17:21

Thank you for all this information but I just really wanted to know where to look to find deaths and or wills in Canada, is there a web site anyone can recommend.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Jun 2017 17:20

As I said in my post of 3 June @ 17:09, recent Canadian records are generally not available online.

From FamilySearch:

Deaths
Alberta death records date from about 1890. When requesting the record for genealogical purposes, be sure to request a certified photocopy of a registration of death (long form). This record will generally contain the name, date and place of death, sex, age, marital status and registration number and date, and may contain the name of spouse, names and birth places of parents, usual residence, occupation and date and place of birth.

******** Death records in Alberta are not public until after 50 years have passed from the date of death. To apply for a genealogical search of death records less than 50 years old, you must be able to show that you are an eligible next of kin (parent, sibling, children or spouse). *********

Maddie

Maddie Report 12 Jun 2017 17:08

in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-198

Name: Mrs Beatrice Vanderboom
Gender: F (Female)
Year: 1957
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Electoral District: Edmonton West

with james a caretaker

in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
View UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Report issue

Name: Beatrice Vanderboon
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1908
Departure Date: 21 Sep 1950
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Franconia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Franconia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 147216
Master: R G Thelwell

address 19 fonthill road hove



1939 Register Transcription

Gearing Household (4 People) 19 Fonthill Road , Hove M.B., Sussex, England
At
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Beatrice M Vanderboon (Gearing) 30 Aug 1908 Female Shorthand Typist Single 15 3
Arthur C Gearing 25 Feb 1882 Male Motor Bus Driver Married 15 1
Robina Gearing 13 Jul 1882 Female Housewife Married 15 2
John S W Allan 25 Oct 1913 Male Chartered Accountant Single 15 4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Jun 2017 17:06

Dorothy started a new thread about Arthur's daughter Beatrice today.
Have advised her to keep everything on this thread rather than a new one.


"My relative Beatrice Muriel Gearing married a Canadian I think 1942-44, James Vanderboon or Vanderboom in Hove. She was repatriated to Canada as a war bride in 1946, she came over to see her parents in 1950 and returned to Quebec in 1950 from Liverpool. Can anyone give me information about how I find deaths and or wills in Canada please."

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Jun 2017 12:10

Gearing - Robina Cunningham if 19 Fonthill Road Hove Sussex died 19 August 1965. Adminisration Lewes 7 October to Sheila Winifred Rennie married woman £152.

Sheila was named as Administrator of the estate, not necessarily that she was given £152. But it might indicate that Arthur had ? already died, separated or incapacitated which doesn't help find a death. Looks to be no will going to probate, so there will be no information to be gleaned from an administration although you can send for the document still

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 12 Jun 2017 06:57

I am looking for Arthur Gearing's death. He was born in Brixton in 1882. He was living at 19, Fonthill Rd, Hove in 1939. His wife Robina died in 1965 and left £152 in her will to her daughter Sheila, I thought Arthur must have already died, but maybe this is not the case..This has all been confirmed in this post, but I cannot find Arthur's death anywhere. There is an Arthur Gearing who died in Eastbourne, but he was also born in Eastbourne, so it can't be him. My Arthur seems to have disappeared, can anyone help.

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 6 Jun 2017 17:29

Thank you to every one who contributed to this thread, you are all very kind x

Flip

Flip Report 4 Jun 2017 10:29

You could try Sheila's will, to see if there is mention of Beatrice or any neices/nephews? If you're willing to fork out £10 it can be ordered from here:

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/

Surname First nameDate of probateProbate numberDate of deathDocument type
Registry

CARTER SHEILA WINIFRED 27 June 2003 1266002 30 March 2003 Grant and will Brighton Add to basket

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 3 Jun 2017 17:17

Yes I understand that now I think about it. If she had any children they would still be in their 60's probably. She was born in 1908 so was 36 when she married and 38 by the time she got to Canada, maybe she thought she was too old then to have children.
She will be dead by now, so I suppose that is the only record I need to close this part of my tree. Thank you for the link.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jun 2017 17:09

There's advice here, and links to various websites,:

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Canada_Genealogy

But, generally speaking, I don't think such recent records are available for you to look up online.

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 3 Jun 2017 16:52

I have now found out that Beatrice Muriel Gearing married James Vanderboon in 1944 Brighton and Hove, she did a civil repatriation to Canada in 1946 as a war bride to Edmonton Alberta. She came home in 1950 for a visit and returned on the 21/09/1950 on the Franconia, Cunard White Star Ltd from Liverpool to Quebec. Is there any way I can find records from Canada that she had any children or when she died. Any information would be very helpful.

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 29 May 2017 12:46

Thank you anyway you are all very kind to spend time looking up things.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 29 May 2017 12:22

Baptisms of the two girls:

Name: Arthur Charles Gearing
Parish as it Appears: Westcote
Spouse: Robina Gearing
Child: Beatrice Muriel Gearing<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Arthur Charles Gearing
Parish as it Appears: Westcote
Spouse: Robina Gearing
Child: Sheila Winifred Gearing<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father a chauffeur. Baptised Sept 20th 1908.

Just to confirm their middle names.

EDIT: Have just realised their names were given in full on their birth record posted previously. Duh!

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 29 May 2017 10:49

Thank you all so very much.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2017 16:14

Possibly Sheila's husband's death, if he was considerably younger than she was:

John George Carter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John George Carter
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1920
Date of Registration: Aug 2001
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Haywards Heath
Inferred County: West Sussex
Register Number: B37
District and Subdistrict: 7811B
Entry Number: 199

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2017 16:07


Husband number 3 ?? She was 88 - good for her!

Sheila W Rennie
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Sheila W Rennie
Date of Registration: Feb 1996
Registration district: Haywards Heath
Inferred County: West Sussex
Spouse: Carter, George [also entered as John G ]
Volume Number: 781
Page Number: 489


??????

Sheila Winifred Carter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Sheila Winifred Carter
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1908 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Date of Registration: Apr 2003
Age at Death: 94
Registration district: Haywards Heath
Inferred County: West Sussex
Register Number: 35A
District and Subdistrict: 781/1A
Entry Number: 182
Entry Number: 182

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2017 15:40

Sheila and Henry Dixon must have divorced.

John D Rennie
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: John D Rennie
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Registration district: Cuckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Spouse: Sheila W Dixon Or Gearing <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 336

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 May 2017 15:11

She married in Ireland:

Marriage: St James Church, City of Dublin: April 29 1906

Robina Cunningham (spinster, full age)
Abode: Royal hospital Kilmainham
Father: William Cunningham, Clerk

Arthur Charles Gearing (Bachelor, full age, motor mechanic)
Abode: Royal Hospital Kilmainham
Father: Charles Gearing, Carpenter

Witnesses: R Clarke & Margaret Olivia More?
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South