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(not sure if anything of help on above?)

Chris :)

This might explain James children with his later partner:

Nottingham Evening Post - Wednesday 08 January 1930

Castle Donnington- Mother's false information

A single woman, Dorothy Gwendoline Astle, living with a married man at Wesleyan School-yard, Castle Donnington, was bound over for 12 months at Loughborough today on a charge of giving false information when registering the birth of her child...

Mr W A Allsopp, registrar of the sub district Castle Donnington said that on September 27th 1929 defendant entered the office giving her name as Dorothy Lucy Francis, formerly Wright. She registered the child as Edward Harold, the father being James Edward Francis.

Defendant, in reply to the chairman, had said she had thought it would be best for the children's sake.

Answering the clerk she said she had lived with the man for six years, and they had four children, two of whom were registered in the same way as this. She wished these cases to be taken into consideration.
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So Dorothy Gwendoline Astle pretended to be Lucy Wright (James' legal wife) when she registered the children.

I think the 1896 James is correct:

Nottingham Evening Post - Monday 31 December 1923

SIX MONTHS FOR REFLECTION:
"You have made a very bad beginning and I hope the sentence will enbale you to think over your past life and become honest in the future" said Sir L Rolleston today at the Notts. Quarter sessions to James Edwin Francis, cowman, who pleaded guilty to breaking and entering two dwelling houses at Attneborough, and stealing various articles belonging to Henry John Gibbons and Thomas Mason Day.

Supt. Neate said prisoner was a native of Shrewsbury and went to Daybrook at an early age. He served in the Durham Light Infantry and was discharged on account of gas poisoning for which he was granted a pension of 16s. a week. He had had various kinds of employment including that of farm labourer at Barton. He was a married man with one child, and was living apart from his wife. There were three previous convictions.
Prisoner was sent to gaol for six months.
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England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment,
Source Habitual Criminals Register 1924
First name(s) James Edwin
Last name Francis
Year 1923
Birth year 1897
Occupation Cowman
Place Nottinghamshire
Birth date ? ? 1897
Date ? ? 1923
Category Institutions & organisations

Field Value
County Nottinghamshire
Place (link for place information) Calverton
Church name St Wilfrid
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1724
Baptism date 06 Jan 1897
Birth date 13 Feb 1896 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Person forename Lucy Ann
Person abode Calverton
Father forename John
Father surname WRIGHT
Father occupation Bricklayers Labourer
Mother forename Mary Ann
Register note
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Deaths Sep 1971 (>99%)
BINGHAM Lucy Ann 13Fe1896 Nottingham 3c 780

FRANCIS Lucy Ann 13Fe1896 Nottingham 3c 780

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First name(s) LUCY ANN
Last name BINGHAM
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 2
Birth year 1896
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1971
District Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C
Page 780
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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James E Francis
United States Border Crossings from Mexico to United States, 1903-1957
birth:

London
immigration:
4 March 1926

other:
4 March 1926

this is the only james e francis born 1871

Births Sep 1871   (>99%)

FRANCIS
 James Ellis S
 
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there is a tree on ancestry which as James born 1896

Married to Lucy Ann Wright child James E

however

it is followed by 2 children with Gwendoline Victoria Astle (surname Astle) and 6 more with Francis surname.

I can't find a marriage between James & Gwen so maybe he just left Lucy and never divorced her

SORRY - info submitted by others while I was typing

That death doesn't look right because this is the lady on the 1939 register


Bingham Household (2 People)
35 Willersley Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Lucy (Ann) Francis (Bingham) 13 Feb 1896 Unpaid Domestic Duties
William Bingham 10 May 1899 Florist
Ref: RG101/6180G/013/26 Letter Code: RMGX
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So Lucy should be on the 1939 register as Francis not Wright then ????

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Bingham Household (2 People) 35 Willersley Street , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lucy (Ann) Francis (Bingham) 13 Feb 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 167 2
William Bingham 10 May 1899 Male Florist Married 167 1

oops,1939 already posted.

there is a charlotte born 1915 mother looks unmarried

WRIGHT, CHARLOTTE    
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GRO Reference: 1915  D Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 458

this 1939 would fit with above:-

16 Sileby Road , Barrow-upon-Soar R.D., Leicestershire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

James E Francis 17 May 1896 Male Gardener Married 265 1
Dorothy G Shaughter (Astle,Francis) 24 Jan 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 265 2
Muriel E Francis 15 Aug 1935 Female Under School Age Single 265 9
Constance N Geary (Slaughter,Frances) 29 Apr 1937 Female Under School Age Single 265 10

This is the above James on 1939:

Francis Household (4 People) 16 Sileby Road , Barrow-upon-Soar R.D., Leicestershire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
James E Francis 17 May 1896 Gardener
Dorothy G Shaughter (Astle,Francis) 24 Jan 1904 Unpaid Domestic Duties
6 closed records here.............
Muriel E Francis 15 Aug 1935 Under School Age
Constance N Geary (Slaughter,Frances) 29 Apr 1937 Under School Age
1 closed record here...................

Dea x

What happened to Charlotte ??

Not seeing her birth on freeebmd

Edit. Ok she was born 1915 not 1913

Is this her marriage

First name(s) CHARLOTTE
Last name WRIGHT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1934
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLOTTE WRIGHT married
George E Perrin
Spouse's last name Perrin
District Basford
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 691
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Same tree gives a second wife and children



Spouse & Children

Dorothy Gwendoline Astle
1905–1968
Gwendoline Victoria Astle 1925–1994

Dorothy Miriam Astle 1926–1993

Edwin Harvey Francis 1929–1981
Doreen patricia Francis 1932–1997

Muriel Eva Francis 1935–2008
Constance Nora Francis 1937–2015

David Francis 1940–1969
Private
Private

From a tree on ancestry

James Edwin Francis
1896–1951

BIRTH 17 MAY 1896 • Baschurch, Shropshire, England
DEATH 31 JULY 1951 • Leicester, Leicestershire, England

........so not born 1871, if this is correct.


Parents
George R. Francis
1862–

Sophia Jones
1865–1896

Name: Lucy A Wright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Basford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Spouse: James E Francis
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 321

Her death was registered under the name of Francis

Name: Lucy Ann Francis
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1896
Date of Registration: Sep 1971
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 780