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The REGISTAR was
George Rofs on both

It's says -
Mary Cropley was informant on Sarah's death certificate

Sarah Wright was informant on Joseph's death certificate

We're doubling up here

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366275

Who registered this death?


First name(s) SARAH MARIA
Last name COLLINS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1839
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 3
Page 89
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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COLLINS, SARAH MARIA 65
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 89

Her surname looks more like Barber than Barker on original:


Joseph Collins
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:
Joseph Collins
Spouse:
Matilda Barker
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
15 Feb 1835
Parish:
West Hackney
Borough:
Hackney

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Scotland Green, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Joseph Collins Male 68 1773 Middlesex, England <<< Coal Dealer
Frederick Collins Male 23 1818 Middlesex, England <<< Wheel Wright
Ann Mantfield Female 25 1816 Middlesex, England
Joannah Tibbitt Female 85 1756 Middlesex, England


Not seeing anything though to connect the two Josephs only supposition. Not seeing a baptism for that Frederick either.

I think your only hope would be if your Joseph registered the Joseph b. 1773 death.

Yes Joseph's father was Joseph

Yes that would be Joseph's father

COLLINS, JOSEPH 84
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 88

Is this the Joseph that you think may be your Joseph's father please?

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Street, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

John Cropley Head Married Male 78 1773 Shoemaker Journey Man Pauper Ely, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Cropley Wife Married Female 69 1782 Wife Of Shoemaker Journey Man Pauper Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Joseph Collins Lodger Widower Male 78 1773 Formerly & Corn & Coal Dealer Seambler's Pensioner Enfield, Middlesex, England
Henry Drane Lodger Unmarried Male 37 1814 Stage Coachman Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England


Without a paper trail, there's no certainty unless your Joseph was the informant on the death registration of the above Joseph.

If anyone finds records of Joseph Collins and Sarah Maria's marriage ( 1802 ) ??
please let me know
Think her maiden name was Cock

Looks like they married in Matilda's parish as she gives her birthplace as Hackney on some of the census records.

Joseph
Last name Collins
Birth year -
Marriage year 1835
Spouse's first name(s) Matilda
Spouse's last name Barber
Place Hackney St Barnabas
County Middlesex
Country England
Source Boyd's marriage index, 1538-1850
Record set England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Society of Genealogists

Joseph is consistent on the census records giving his birthplace as Tottenham but I don't see a baptism records for him.

I think they were from Enfield .....

I would be very grateful if we can go even further back

Thank you

Joseph Collins in the 1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Collins
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Hundred: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 654
Book: 23
Folio: 28
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Collins 30 (Coal Merchant)
Matilda Collins 30
Hannah Collins 4
George Collins 2
Charles Collins 5 Mo


George Collins in the 1851 England Census
Name: George Collins
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Collins
Mother's name: Matilda Collins
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Allhallows
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 1702
Folio: 327
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Collins 44
Matilda Collins 50
George Collins 12
Charles Collins 10
Matilda Collins 8

Possible parents of Joseph according to my very old piece of paper ...??

Joseph and Sarah Maria , married 1802

Thank you

Maybe?

COLLINS, GEORGE BARBER
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 103

Thank you for that :)

Would like to go further back

I think Joseph Collins was born in 1806 and married Matilda Barber in 1834/5

I had this info given to me many many years ago but don't know if it's correct ...?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kings Road, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Joseph Collins Male 30 1811 Middlesex, England
Matilda Collins Female 30 1811 Middlesex, England
Hannah Collins Female 4 1837 Middlesex, England
George Collins Male 2 1839 Middlesex, England
Charles Collins Male 0 1841 Middlesex, England
James Steel Male 30 1811 Middlesex, England