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Hi I'm trying to trace my fathers side of my tree , I'm stuck (again) My paternal grandmother apparently was knitted (JOKE) because I have UNKNOWN for her parents . I have her (Ruth) date of birth as Jan 1886 Marlborough Wiltshire , marriage bann 1914 Devises Wiltshire . Married Frederick James Rogers Waite.
I don't have a date for her death.
Is there anyone out there that can help me please ? Thank you for reading. :-)

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Dunford Jane Nutland Devizes 5a 217
Nutland Frederick J Dunford Devizes 5a 217
Rogers Frederick J Yates Devizes 5a 217 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yates Ruth Rogers Devizes 5a 217 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Is this her birth (from GRO)?

YATES, RUTH HEAVENS
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in MARLBOROUGH Volume 05A Page 100

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shepherds Shore B Cannings, Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Fredrick Rogers Head Married Male Farm Labourer 42 1869 Pewsey
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Ruth Yates Housekeeper Single Female - 25 1886 Marlborough
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Fred Yates Son - Male - 5 1906 Oare
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Tom Yates Son - Male - 2 1909 Bishops Cannings

Possible marriage of parents?
Marriages Jun 1876
Heavens Elizabeth Cricklade 5a 47
YATES Eli Cricklade 5a 47

Have you found her in the censuses?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
George Lane, Preshute, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Eli Yates Head Married Male 41 1850 Blacksmith Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England
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Elizabeth Yates Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
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Alice Yates Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Ashton Keynes, Wiltshire, England
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Florence Yates Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Scholar Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
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Charles Yates Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Grittleton, Wiltshire, England
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? Yates Son Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Manton, Wiltshire, England
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Ruth Yates Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
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Edith Yates Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
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Arthur Eli Yates Son Single Male 0 1891 - Marlborough, Wiltshire, England

Ruth Yates
Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Eli Yates Mother's name: Elizabeth Yates
Where born: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Preshute Ecclesiastical parish: Marlborough St Mary
Town: St Margarets County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England
Registration district: Marlborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 1598 Folio: 147 Page Number: 16
Eli Yates 41
Elizabeth Yates 31
Alice Yates 11
Florence Yates 10
Charles Yates 8
August Yates 6
Ruth Yates 4
Edith Yates 2
Arthur Eli Yates 6/12
Class: RG12; Piece: 1598; Folio: 147; Page: 16; GSU roll: 6096708

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, Elder Avenue, Hornsey, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

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Thomas F Greves Head Single Male 40 1861 Corporate Accountant (Company) Islington, Middlesex, England
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Mary P Greves Sister Single Female 47 1854 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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Priscilla M Greves Sister Single Female 38 1863 Teacher Of Pianoforte & Harmony Warwick, Warwickshire, England
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Ruth Yates Servant Single Female 16 1885 Domestic Servant Marlborough, Wiltshire, England

YATES, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in DEVIZES Volume 05A Page 96

Re the family in the 1911 Census .......

1911 Census
Fredrick Rogers Head Married Male Farm Labourer 42 1869 Pewsey

Ruth Yates Housekeeper Single Female - 25 1886 Marlborough

Fred Yates Son - Male - 5 1906 Oare

Tom Yates Son - Male - 2 1909 Bishops Cannings


After marriage???

ROGERS, KATHLEEN CORDELIA YATES
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in DEVIZES Volume 05A Page 153

It looks as though Ruth had at least 2 children before marrying Fred Rogers.

YATES, THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in DEVIZES Volume 05A Page 96

Devizes is the registration district that includes Bishops Cannings. There is no mother's maiden name showing, indicating that the child was illegitimate



Two more children born before the marriage??

YATES, DOROTHY BEATRICE EILEEN -
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DEVIZES Volume 05A Page 181

YATES, PERCIVAL -
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in DEVIZES Volume 05A Page 183



It's apparent from that 1911 Census that Fred was already married, and therefore his marriage to Ruth had to wait until his wife died

Anyone found Fred or Ruth in 1939?

Carol,
Which child is your Father?

Doesn't help any with Ruth but I think this is daughter Dorothy in 1939.

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Whetstone Household (9 People)
10 Queens Road , Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England


Eileen (D B) Douglas-Reid (Glassell)
DOB 14 Aug 1911
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Waitress
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 74
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3
Lilian (Lillian) Whetstone
Constance L Lucas (Markwell,Whetstone)
Christobel Humble
Samuel S Cox
Derek V Whetstone
Albert K Turner
Samuel ? Markwell
Edith Nurse
Ref: RG101/0822F/007/04 Letter Code:
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Although she's claiming to be single, I think she had been married. Back in a moment with her possible marriage.

Marriages Jun 1933 (>99%)
GLASSETT Ernest A Yates Lambeth 1d 641
Yates Dorothy B E Glassett Lambeth 1d 641

Maybe for daughter Kathleen?


1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Young (Rogers) Household (2 People)
Mayall Road , Lambeth, London, England

Kathleen C Norbury (Rogers)
DOB 02 Feb 1915
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Confectioners Asst Cak
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 92
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Mary Young (Rogers)
DOB 12 Aug 1921
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Shop Assistant Provision
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 92
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1


Marriages Jun 1940 (>99%)
Norbury Herbert A C Rogers Lambeth 1d 542
Rogers Kathleen C Norbury Lambeth 1d 542

More children from the marriage?


Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Rogers Mary Yates Devizes 5a 157

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Rogers William J Yates Devizes 5a 139

Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Rogers Reginald Yates Devizes 5a 141

Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Rogers Gladys Yates Devizes 5a 131

First name(s) KATHLEEN CORDELIA
Last name NORBURY
Gender Female
Birth day 2
Birth month 2
Birth year 1915
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1984
District Bournemouth
Register number 684
County Dorset
Volume 23
Page 114
Country England
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Subcategory Deaths & burials
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EILEEN D B
Last name DOUGLAS-REID
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1956
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ EILEEN D B DOUGLAS-REID married
Daniel L Laing
Spouse's last name Laing
District Deptford
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 5C
Page 1127
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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First name(s) EILEEN DOROTHY B
Last name LAING
Gender Female
Birth day 14
Birth month 8
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1989
District Hastings & Rother
Register number 889
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 728
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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Maybe?


First name(s) MARY
Last name YOUNG
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 8
Birth year 1921
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1991
District Canterbury
Register number 791
County Kent
Volume 16
Page 267
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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Subcategory Deaths & burials
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This looks like Frederick's birth, so younger than stated on 1911 census

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROGERS, FREDERICK JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in PEWSEY Volume 05A Page 175

Here he is in 1939 but no Ruth. grrrr

Household (2 People)
Chandlers Lane , Devizes R.D., Wiltshire, England

Frederick Rogers
DOB 12 Jan 1873
SEX Male
OCCUPATION General Agricultural Labourer
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 5
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Thomas Rogers
DOB
21 Jan 1907
SEX Male
OCCUPATION General Labourer
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 5
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
Ref: RG101/7151D/002/25 Letter Code: WSGA
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3 closed records. (Maybe the three youngest children?)

First name(s) FREDERICK
Last name ROGERS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1873
Age 67
Death quarter 4
Death year 1940
District Devizes
County Wiltshire
Volume 5A
Page 252
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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