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Nice find PH- Would seem the other Thomas is more likely then.

Wonder if the 1804 Thomas was the father of the later Thomas.

So, if Clara was orphaned, who took care of her?

Thomas Gretton in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Thomas Gretton
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1833
Birth Place: Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Gender: Male
Event Type: Birth
Father: Thomas Gretton
Mother: Hariott
Denomination: General Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 1782: Sutton Bonnington, near Loughborough (General Baptist Chapel), 1785-1837

A sister......

Sarah Gretton in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Sarah Gretton
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1831
Birth Place: Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Gender: Female
Event Type: Birth
Father: Thomas Gretton
Mother: Hariot
Denomination: General Baptist
Piece Title: Piece 1782: Sutton Bonnington, near Loughborough (General Baptist Chapel), 1785-1837

This is Clara's parents marriage:

Leicestershire marriages

name(s) Thomas Gretton (framework knitter)
Age A Minor
Birth year -
Residence Hathern
Father's name(s) Thomas Gretton (framework knitter)
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 20 Sep 1852
Spouse's name(s) Maria Lovett (factory hand)
Spouse's age Of Full Age
Spouse's residence Hathern
Spouse's father's name(s) John Sketchly (groom)
Denomination Anglican
Place Hathern
County Leicestershire

Witnesses: William Hinkling & Elisabeth Gretton

Likely this sister was the witness:

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Gretton
Birth year 1827
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 23 Sep 1827
Baptism place Hathern
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Harriet

I have to pop off for a bit.

I have been trying to follow the sister Sarah in case she took care of Clara.

I think this is her on the 1851 census.

Transcribed as ........Sarah Gretton Hawley.........but she is a sevant to Hawley family.

Sarah Gretton Hawley in the 1851 England Census
Name: Sarah Gretton Hawley
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Wm Hawley
Mother's name: Elizth Hawley
Gender: Female
Where born: Hathern, Leicestershire, England

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester

Wm Hawley 45
Elizth Hawley 3??
Emma Hawley 11
Louisa Stubbs Hawley 10
David Geo Hawley 8
Fanny Hawley 7
Wm Geo Hawley 4
Philip John Hawley 2
Sarah Gretton Hawley 20.....Single.........Servant


Possible marriage......

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Bridger William Richard Leicester 7a 302
Eyre Lydia Leicester 7a 302
Gretton Sarah Leicester 7a 302
Hutchinson James Leicester 7a 302

Will pop back a bit later.........Prickles;o))

The probate record doesn't say that she left her money to John William Oldham, only that he is executor of the will. In order to see who she left her money to you have to buy the will.

You do seem to have found the correct deaths?

Death:
On the 17th, aged 25, Mr. Thomas Gretton, Ward's End ;
22 January 1857 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottingham

Death:
At Hathern, near Loughborough, on the 9th instant, aged 25, Maria, wife of Mr. Thomas Gretton.
16 October 1856 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottingha

Dea x

Apologies if i sent anyone on a wild goose chase with the 1858 marriage i posted.

Here is Sarah on the 1861 census with a son.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Swinerootings, Spotland, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Thomas Hothersall Head Married Male 29 1832 Agricultural Labourer Todmorden, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Hothersall Wife Married Female 32 1829 - Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Sarah Gretton Visitor Unmarried Female 28 1833 - Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Thomas Gretton Visitor Unmarried Male 0 1861 - Yorkshire, England

On Ancesty.......Hothersall is actually Hollinrake......which does look right on the image.

Elizabeth is possible Sarah's sister.

I can't find a suitable marriage though.

GRETTON, THOMAS No Father Named
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 09A Page 214


Elizabeth in 1851..........

Elizabeth Gretton in the 1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Gretton
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Willim Huges 30
Mary Huges 26
David Leakey 19
James Briggs 21
William Buckley 15
John Williams 16
Elizabeth Gretton 26

Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
GRETTON Sarah Rochdale 8e 56
SEEL Samuel Rochdale 8e 56

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Tritton Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London, England

Samuel Seel Head Married Male 54 1827 Joiner & Carpenter Stalybridge, Cheshire, England
Transcription
Sarah Seel Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Clara Seel Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Sarah Seel Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Robinson Lodger Head Widow Female 32 1849 Charwoman Wrotham, Kent, England
Transcription
Alfred Robinson Son Single Male 10 1871 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Transcription
Emma Robinson Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - Wimbledon, Surrey, England

SEEL, CLARA MMN GRETTON
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 66

Sarah left her son Thomas with Elizabeth.

This marriage relates to the above, if of any use? :

Marriage: 14 Feb 1867 St Clement, Spotland, Lancashire, England
Samuel Seel - 39, Joiner, Widower, Whitworth Road
Sarah Gretton - 30, Spinster, Shawclough
Groom's Father: Robert Seel, Auctioneer
Bride's Father: Thomas Gretton, Lace Knitter
Witness: Elizabeth Hollinrake; Isaiah Clegg
Married by Licence by: W. N. Molesworth
Register: Marriages 1861 - 1873, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: LDS Family Search

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Marriage: 14 Feb 1867 St Clement, Spotland, Lancashire, England
Samuel Seel - 39, Joiner, Widower, Whitworth Road
Sarah Gretton - 30, Spinster, Shawclough
Groom's Father: Robert Seel, Auctioneer
Bride's Father: Thomas Gretton, Lace Knitter
Witness: Elizabeth Hollinrake; Isaiah Clegg
Married by Licence by: W. N. Molesworth
Register: Marriages 1861 - 1873, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: LDS Family Search

Ah.........witness Elizabeth Hollinrake!

Father Thomas was a Frame Work (Cotton) Knitter on the 1871 census.

I wonder if the 1861 census that Austin posted earlier is Thomas Gretton jnr's father.

Edit: Just spotted that Austin wondered the same thing.

Thomas Gretton Head Married Male 57 1804 Cotton Framework Knitter Hathern, Leicester

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
Gretton Thomas Loughborough 7a 301
Sleath Sarah Loughborough 7a 301

His father is named as Thomas on his baptism record........so quite possibly.

They both had the same occupation too.


Thomas Gretton in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Gretton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 20 May 1804
Baptism Place: Hathern,Leicester,England
Father: Thomas Gretton
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 590783


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Buckhorn Square, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

Mary Chapman Head Widow Female 54 1797 Seamstress Of Angola Hosiery Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Ann Chapman Daughter Unmarried Female 33 1818 Seamstress Of Angola Hosiery Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Mary Chapman Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1821 Works At Angola Factory Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
William Chapman Son - Male 13 1838 Winder Of Cotten Thread Loughborough, Leicestershire, England
Transcription
Thomas Gretton ***** Lodger Widower Male 47 1804 Frame Work Knitte (Angola) Hathern, Leicestershire, England


Leicestershire burials Transcription

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Gretton
Age 60
Birth year 1804
Death year 1864
Burial year 1864
Burial date 23 Feb 1864
Burial place Hathern
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Archive reference DE731/12
Record set Leicestershire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

No sign of little orphan Clara at the moment though. :-(

Nice work PH.

Looks right, Elizabeth being Sarah's sister- this is the birth of Elizabeth's son:

HOLLINRAKE, ROBERT Mmn: GRETTON
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 09A Page 221

It's possible Clara was with her mother's family or perhaps looked after by the Union.

Another sister: (Clara not with her either)

First name(s) Mary
Last name Gretton
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 23 Jul 1826
Baptism place Hathern
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
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Marriage:

First name(s) Mary
Last name Gretton
Age 20
Birth year 1826
Residence Hathern
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Gretton
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 02 Nov 1846
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Watts
Spouse's age Of Full Age
Spouse's residence Hathern
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Watts
Denomination Anglican
Place Hathern
County Leicestershire

Witnesses: Elizabeth Gretton & William Watts
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
From Dove Cottage, Derby Road, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Watts Head Married Male 25 1826 Frame W K (Silk & Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire
Mary Watts Wife Married Female 25 1826 Seamer Of Cotton Hose Hathern, Leicestershire,
Thomas Watts Son - Male 2 1849 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24, Wide Street, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Watts Head Married Male 35 1826 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Mary Watts Wife Married Female 34 1827 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Thomas Watts Son - Male 12 1849 S F K Cotton Hathern, Leicestershire,
Alfred Watts Son - Male 8 1853 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Arthur Watts Son - Male 6 1855 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Elizabeth Watts Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Hathern, Leicestershire,
Clara Watts Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Hathern, Leicestershire,

I might need some help to check this out- bear with me.

Perhaps Maria didn't die??? (Edit- believe this is Clara with her Grandmother, but listed as her daughter)

1861 census:
Name: Clara Howe
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Howe
Mother's name: Maria Howe
Gender: Female
Where born: Hathan, Leicestershire, England
Ecclesiastical parish: Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 2439 Folio: 102 Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Howe 48
Maria Howe 47
Jane Howe 20
Eliza Howe 18
Isael Howe 16
Alice Howe 14
Lucy Howe 13
Authur Howe 9
Clara Howe 8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Agnas Howe 7
Jessey Howe 6
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Jessey's birth:

HOWE, JESSE mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 114

Agnes birth:

HOWE, AGNES mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 104

Same people in 1851- so not her mother (but could be family?)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
From Halbern Inn, Derby Road, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

John Howe Head Married Male 39 1812 Frame W K (Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire,
Maria Howe Wife Married Female 38 1813 Winder Of Cotton Thurcaston, Leicestershire
Maria Howe Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 Seamer Of Cotton Hosiery St Mary's, Nottinghamshire
Henry Howe Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Seamer Of Cotton Hosiery St Mary's, Nottinghamshire
Emma Howe Daughter - Female 14 1837 Semptress Of Cotton Hosiery Hathern, Leiceste
George Howe Son - Male 12 1839 F W K (Cotton & Worsted) Hathern, Leicestershire
Jane Howe Daughter - Female 10 1841 Winder Of Worsted Hathern, Leicestershire,
Eliza Howe Daughter - Female 8 1843 Seamer Of Cotton Stockings Hathern, Leicestershire,
Israel Howe Son - Male 6 1845 Seamer Of Cotton Stockings Hathern, Leicestershire,
Alice Howe Daughter - Female 4 1847 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
Lucy Howe Daughter - Female 2 1849 Home Hathern, Leicestershire,
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HOW, ISRAEL mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 150
HOW, ALICE mmn: LOVETT
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 151
HOW, - mmn: LOVETT (Possibly Lucy)
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 15 Page 137

Can anybody see a birth for the Clara Howe that's on the 1861? I'm thinking she's our Clara Lovett Gretton