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AnnWilliams
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30 Apr 2017 18:18 |
I am seeking a James Abbott born June/July 1880 who left England on the Campania in September 1903. He would have been a time served skilled craftsman although the ships list had him as a Labourer and could probably turn his hand to most building work. He left his home County of Cornwall and travelled to Liverpool then by Ship to New York. The Ship was a sister ship to the Lusitania and in the Cunard Line. Sadly that's all the information I have. Would love to know more. many Thanks
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MargaretM
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30 Apr 2017 18:37 |
Ancestry has a James Abbott born 1880, England as a crew member of the Aquitania which seemed to have arrived in New York from Southampton on a monthly basis in 1927.
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MargaretM
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30 Apr 2017 18:47 |
This James Abbott born 1880 arrived New York from Liverpool aboard the Campania in 1903 but he was Irish and seemed to be with a brother Thomas, 2 years older.
James Abbott in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: James Abbott Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1903 Birth Date: abt 1881 Age: 22 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Campania
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:04 |
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Name: James Abbott Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas R Abbott Mother's name: Prudance M Abbott Gender: Male Where born: North Hill, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: North Hill Ecclesiastical parish: North Hill County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Launceston ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1805 Folio: 19 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thomas R Abbott 38<<<< Mason Prudance M Abbott 37 William Abbott 17 James Abbott 10 Elizabeth Abbott 60
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:05 |
Name: James Abbott Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Birth Place: Northill, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalene Search Photos: Search for 'St Mary Magdalene' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Launceston St Mary Magdalene County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
Occupation: MASON
Registration district: Launceston Sub-registration district: Launceston ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 2183 Folio: 12 Page Number: 15 Household schedule number: 87 Household Members: Name Age Richard Adams 44 Jane Adams 44 Mary Adams 22 Richard Adams 19 William H Adams 15 Alice M Adams 9 James Abbott 20<<<<
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:12 |
It says it was a Steamer Newastead. 1901 England Census
Name: James Abbott Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: 2nd Mate (Mate) Gender: Male Birth Place: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Vessels Search Photos: Search for 'Vessels' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Town: Millwall Dock County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation: 2nd Mate<<<<<<
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Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: Newstead Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 358 Folio: 244 Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Joseph E Jory 39 Peter Ramsland 39 James Abbott 26 O Mise 43 J Kodo 50 K Tonkilson 30 E Seemiller 31 J Elven 19 A Elven 18 J Mammi 36 A Amland 20 A Hulton 23 J Cumming 30 L Lenjomean 22 E Hecks 34 E Cottman 26 J Conley 25 A Saren 32 N Bjorkman 38 A Korman 31 A Eleven 19 A Kamp 29 (not transcribed) 29 G Baker 34 C Hornemburg 39 S Spate 22 J Montter 22
It has him born Cornwall St Austell
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:14 |
O wrong year of birth on that one.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:23 |
Or this one??
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in the 1881 England Census View 1881 England Census
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Name: James Henry Abbott Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relationship to Head: Son Father: William Abbott Mother: Susan Abbott Gender: Male Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Austell County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Molingy
Occupation: Scholar Registration district: St Austell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2302 Folio: 38 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age William Abbott 41 Susan Abbott 34 Johanna Abbott 69 William Samuel Abbott 8 Joseph Francis Abbott 5 James Henry Abbott 4 Ephelinda Abbott 2 Catherine Ellen Abbott
1891 Name: James H Abbott Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Father's name: William Abbott Mother's name: Susan J Abbott Gender: Male Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Austell Ecclesiastical parish: St Austell Town: Molingey County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: St Austell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1822 Folio: 148 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Abbott 51 Susan J Abbott 42 William S Abbott 18 Brother William is a masons apprentice. James H Abbott 14<<< Ethelinda J Abbott 12 Catherine E Abbott 10 William H Wood 16
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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30 Apr 2017 19:32 |
ABBOTT, JAMES MMN DYMOND GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in LAUNCESTON Volume 05C Page 32
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AnnWilliams
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1 May 2017 19:40 |
My James Parents were Thomas Rockey Abbott Born Tetcott Devon and Prudence. Do you have any link to him?
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MargaretM
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1 May 2017 22:31 |
This James Abbott enlisted for WW1 in Canadian Expeditionary Force but he enlisted in England. He was born 6 June 1880, Coads Green, North Hill, Launceston, Cornwall. He was a mason, next-of-kin was wife Mary Ann in South Zeal, Okehampton, Devonshire. He enlisted at Shorncliffe, Engand 6 July, 1916.
James Abbott in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 Name: James Abbott Birth Date: 6 Jun 1880 Birth Location: Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall Relative: Mary Ann Abbott Relationship: Wife Regiment Number: 45473
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MargaretM
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1 May 2017 23:02 |
Possible marriage for that James?
James Abbott in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: James Abbott Registration Year: 1903 Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Okehampton Inferred County: Devon Volume 5b Page: 851
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James Abbott William George Conibear Mary Ann Holman Emily Ann Langmead James Henry Roberts
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ArgyllGran
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1 May 2017 23:56 |
James Abbott in the Canada, WWI CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918 Name: James Abbott Birth Date: 6 Jun 1880 Birth Place: Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall Relative: Mary Ann Abbott Relationship of Relative: Wife Regimental Number: 45473
As well as all the details posted by MargaretM, He was 5' 8.5" tall, fair complexion, blue eyes, brown hair. He had a scar on his right thumb, caused by a cut in childhood..
He was discharged (demobilised) on 26 May 1919 in Vancouver (or at least the papers were signed in Vancouver) having served in France with the Canadian Engineers, as a sapper. Some papers say he was a driver. Overseas service was from 16/10/1916 to 26/10/1917. In 1918, he was invalided to England with trench fever and nephritis, and was in hospital in Orpington for 5 weeks..
On 26/10/1917 he was admitted to Ontario Military Hospital, Orpington, Kent, with myalgia. On 01/12/1917 he was in hospital in Epsom, again with myalgia. He also had influenza from 26/08/1918 to 09/09/1918. In 1918 and 1919 he was in Kinmel Park Camp, Seaford, Sussex , and Rhyl.
He returned (?) to Canada, arriving at Halifax on 06/02/1919, on the "Carmania".
As at May 4th 1920, he had a daughter aged 15, and his wife Mary Ann was 33. Prior to enlistment he'd been a road foreman and mason for 20 years.
Last employer: Municipality of Burnaby, BC. He was insured with Prudential Life, paying $13 per year.
Mary Ann's address is still given as South Zeal, Devon.
He'd had dysentery when he was 18.
In 1919 he received £30 16s 5d in War Service Gratuity.
In 1917 he received 3 days "F P No 1" (some sort of punishment) for disobeying a command of a superior officer."
His address on leave was GPO, Vancouver. His address on discharge was South Zeal.
He was awarded the War Service Badge, class A.
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 00:31 |
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Deaths Jun 1965 (>99%) ABBOTT JAMES 84 Okehampton 7a 408
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 00:36 |
The daughter's birth:
ABBOTT, AUDREY MARY mms HOLMAN GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in OKEHAMPTON Volume 05B Page 361
James & Mary Ann's marriage:
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) ABBOTT James Okehampton 5b 851 HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 851
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 00:38 |
Audrey Mary Abbott in the 1911 England Census Name: Audrey Mary Abbott Age in 1911: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1904 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: South Tawton, Devon Civil Parish: South Tawton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Town Cottage, South Zeal Nr Okehampton, Devon Registration district: Okehampton Registration District Number: 280 Sub-registration district: Tawton ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 13165 Household Members: Name Age M A Abbott 25 Audrey Mary Abbott 7
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 00:39 |
Births Mar 1886 (>99%) HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 394
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 00:44 |
Audrey M Abbott in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Audrey M Abbott Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1926 Registration district: Okehampton Inferred County: Devonshire Spouse: Sidney W J Dyment Volume Number: 5b Page Number: 876
Two sons were born in Okehampton, 1930 and 1933.
Audrey M Dyment in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Audrey M Dyment Birth Date: abt 1904 Date of Registration: Jun 1944 Age at Death: 40 Registration district: Okehampton Inferred County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 419
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MargaretM
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2 May 2017 14:42 |
Curious as to why he enlisted in the Canadian Expeditionary Force but enlisted in England. And why was he returned to Canada after the war? Was he in Canada earlier? I can't find him there but he was missing from the 1911 census in England.
Also in Ann's opening post she said that he sailed to New York in 1903 aboard the Campania but that James Abbott was born in Ireland. I'm fairly certain that that's not him.
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ArgyllGran
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2 May 2017 16:00 |
As he had been working for the Municipality of Burnaby, BC, maybe he had gone out to Canada to work before the war, which would account for his non-appearance in 1911 census.
I don't see any definite travel records, though.
This one might be a possibility, although it says he's a farm labourer. But he's English, and heading for Vancouver. Burnaby is on the outskirts of Vancouver
James Abbott in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: James Abbott Gender: Male Age: 30 Birth Year: abt 1881 Date of Arrival: 25 Mar 1911 Vessel: Megantic Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
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