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1891 Census has Samuel with wife Sarah aged 35 years ( do not know her maiden name) Children Samuel aged 9, Thomas aged 7, Thomas Holmes (stepson) aged 1

1901 Census he is now with Rebecca (nee Morley married 1898 Belper so Sarah has died or was she ever married to Samuel ?)has sons Samuel, & Thomas as Ward ,Thomas H Holmes ( note now added a H ) still with them aged 11,Herbert, Ernest Leslie, John James Morley Rebecca's sons ? )

1911 extra children Leonard aged 8, Percy aged 6, Ada Elizabeth M aged 2 Daughter ? aged under 2 months & Herbert Morley aged 14.
I am trying to find who is Thomas H Holmes parents? & what happened to him & if Samuel & Sarah were ever married ?
As Samuel & Thomas were down as Ward in the 1901 Census could their mothers maiden name be Ward?
Thanks for any help

Marriage to Sarah:

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
Green Mary Ann Belper 7b 798 Scan available - click to view
***Holmes Sarah Belper 7b 798 Scan available - click to view
Thorpe William Belper 7b 798 Scan available - click to view
***Walker Samuel Belper 7b 798 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Could be either of these deaths

Deaths Mar 1898
Walker Sarah 43 Belper 7b 400
Walker Sarah Ann 43. Belper 7b. 308

More like the first one as she didn't have Ann on the marriage cert of 1891


Quick off the mark but then he had children that needed looking after
Marriages Sep 1898
Morley Rebecca Belper 7b 1056
Walker. Samuel. Belper 7b. 1056

Name: Thomas Hedley Holmes
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1890
Baptism Place: St Peter's Church, Belper, Derbyshire, England
Father: Thomas Holmes
Mother: Sarah Holmes
FHL Film Number: 2080802

HOLMES, THOMAS HEDLEY THORNHILL
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 569


Marriages Sep 1881
Thornhill Sarah Belper 7b 798
Holmes Thomas Belper. 7b. 798


Another son
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HOLMES, WILLIAM HENRY THORNHILL
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 641

Sadly died as a baby
HOLMES, WILLIAM HENRY 1
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 329

WALKER, ADA ELIZABETH MAY MORLEY
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 710

So was Rebeca single when she married Samuel

Looks like she possibly was
MORLEY, HERBERT - Order
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 623

They have given wrong surnames on the .1901 census

WALKER, ERNEST LESLIE MORLEY
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 643

WALKER, JOHN JAMES MORLEY
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 583


So Rebecca was single when she married Samuel

Name: Thomas Hedley Holmes
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 1889
Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1910
Marriage Place: Denby, Denby, Derbyshire, England
Marriage Age: 21
Spouse: Sarah Hardy
FHL Film Number: 2081286

A son

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Holmes Hedley Hardy Belper 7b 1297

Thomas birth is out by two years

1939 register

Holmes Household (4 People)
125 Heage Road , Ripley U.D., Derbyshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Hedley Holmes 10 Apr 1912 Joiner Foreman (Shop ?)
Thomas H Holmes 29 May 1887 Colliery Road Repairer (?)
Sarah Holmes 26 May 1886 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Madge (Marjorie) Hardy (Holmes) 07 Apr 1910 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ref: RG101/5921C/010/37 Letter Code: RBVG
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Marriages Mar 1935 (
Holmes Hedley Wright Belper 7b 1021
Wright Marjorie Holmes Belper 7b 1021


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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Overlane Belper, Belper, Derbyshire, England


Thomas Hedley Holmes Head Married Male Coal Miner Labourer 21 1890 Belper Derbyshire Transcription
Sarah Holmes Wife Married Female - 22. 1889 Belper

Married under one year no children

THOMAS HEDLEY
Last name HOLMES
Birth year 1889
Death year 1958
Age 69
Place Ripley
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register entry RD/A09/054
Register office Amber Valley (Ripley)
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index


First name(s) THOMAS H
Last name HOLMES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1889
Age 69
Death quarter 4
Death year 1958
District Belper
County Derbyshire
Volume 3A
Page 61
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) HEDLEY
Last name HOLMES
Gender Male
Birth day 10
Birth month 4
Birth year 1912
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1990
District Belper
Register number 290
County Derbyshire
Volume 6
Page 100
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

2nd marriage

Hedley
Last name Holmes
Marriage year 1965
Parish Derby Register Office
Place Derby
Spouse's first name Gwendoline Mary
Spouse's last name Hardy
Reference DU/186/046
Register Office South Derbyshire (Derby)
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Derbyshire Family History Society


Marjorie also remarried
Marjorie
Last name Holmes
Marriage year 1965
Parish Ilkeston Register Office
Place Ilkeston
Spouse's first name Richard
Spouse's last name Hardy
Reference IRO/29/028
Register Office Erewash (Ilkeston)
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Derbyshire Family History Society

MARJORIE
Last name HARDY
Gender Female
Birth day 7
Birth month 4
Birth year 1910
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 2000
District Derby
District number 3941C
Register number C39C
Entry number 150
Date of registration mm/yy 1000
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Thomas H Holmes in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas H Holmes
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Dec 1958
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 61


Thomas Hedley Holmes in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Thomas Hedley Holmes
Death Date: 10 Dec 1958
Death Place: Derbyshire, Derby, England
Probate Date: 1 Apr 1959
Registry: London, England

Of 125 Heage Road, Ripley, Derbyshire...

To Sarah Holmes widow and Hedley Holmes greengrocer.

Effects: £6004 9s 2d

No father named for Thomas on the marriage record.


Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1910 Transcription
First name(s) Thomas Hedley
Last name Holmes
Sex Male
Age 21
Birth year 1889
Marital status Single
Marriage year 1910
Marriage date 20 Aug 1910
Marriage place Denby, Denby, Derbyshire, England
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Hardy
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's birth year 1888
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edwin
Spouse's father's last name Hardy
Place Denby
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Samuel Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Samuel Walker
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Sep 1920
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 539

Samuel Walker in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Samuel Walker
Death Date: 22 Aug 1920
Death Place: Derbyshire, England
Probate Date: 3 Dec 1920
Registry: Derby

Of Nottingham Road, Ripley, Derbyshire.

To Rebecca Walker widow......Effects: £370


Rebecca Walker on the 1939 Register

Walker Household (3 People) 72 Nottingham Road , Ripley U.D., Derbyshire, England
Rebecca Walker 12 Feb 1876 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Albert E Walker 02 May 1915 Dyer Cut Silk
Norman Walker 19 Aug 1918 Colliery Banks Man Above Heavy Worker

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Walker Albert E Morley Belper 7b 1265

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Walker Norman Morley Belper 7b 1048

Rebecca Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Rebecca Walker
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Mar 1955
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 78


Rebecca Walker in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Rebecca Walker
Death Date: 22 Mar 1955
Death Place: Derbyshire, Derby, England
Probate Date: 21 May 1955
Registry: Nottingham, England

Of 72 Nottingham Road, Greenwich, Ripley, Derbyshire.

To John Rodgers miner.......Effects: £1049 18s 11d

Just looking at these for Samuel & Thomas:

Births Dec 1881:
WARD Samuel Walker Belper 7b 592

WARD, SAMUEL WALKER COOPER Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 592



Births June 1884:
Ward Thomas Walker Belper 7b 663

WARD, THOMAS WALKER COOPER Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 663

Dea x

Marriages Mar 1942 (>99%)
Gibson Clarice A Walker Belper 7b 1949
Walker Albert E Gibson Belper 7b 1949

This was Clarice's second marriage. Her first marriage was in 1930.

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
Gibson Enoch Hillyer Belper 7b 909
Hillyer Clarice A Gibson Belper 7b 909


Hillyer Household (2 People) 1 Raglan Street , Alfreton U.D., Derbyshire, England

Ellen E Hillyer 28 Jun 1876 Widow Unpaid Domestic Duties
Clarise A Walker (Gibson) Widow 09 Dec 1908 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Deaths Dec 1937 (>99%)
Gibson Enoch 30 Belper 7b 735


Albert Edward Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Albert Edward Walker
Birth Date: 1 Mar 1915
Date of Registration: Dec 1981
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 0161


Clarice Annie Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Clarice Annie Walker
Birth Date: 9 Dec 1907
Date of Registration: Jun 1979
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 0498

To all of you wonderful people I thank you for all of the information you have given me much more than I expected

Happy researching Ellen.

Prickles....;o))

On the 1881 Census Samuel is living with his widowed father John ,also living there is a Rhoda Ward who I think might be the mother of Samuel & Thomas Ward .Rhoda died in 1890 they never married

YEEeeeeess !!!

That's it! - I hadn't been able to find the link from Ward to mmn Cooper on Samuel & Thomas's birth reg. above but you have it!


Marriage:
Name: Rhoda Cooper
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 540
Records on Page:
Name
Frank Campion
Rhoda Cooper ***
Georgiana Taylor
William Ward ***

Rhoda was married on that 1881 image and the above is the marriage so yes, she is the mother of Samuel and Thomas. :-) :-)

Dea x

WARD, SAMUEL WALKER MMN COOPER
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 592

WARD, THOMAS WALKER MMN COOPER
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 663

(Ooops! Dea already posted the above births)


Rhoda Cooper in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rhoda Cooper
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 433


Rhoda Cooper in the Derbyshire, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910
Name: Rhoda Cooper
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 1856
Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1877
Marriage Place: St Alkmund's Church, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Marriage Age: 21
Father: Thomas Cooper
Spouse: William Ward
Marital Status: Single
Spouse Father: Jesse Ward



Rhoda Ward in the Derbyshire, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1910
Name: Rhoda Ward
Birth Date: 1855
Burial Date: 9 Jul 1890
Burial Place: Heage, Heage, Derbyshire, England
Death Age: 35