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Re the child Edwin in 1871 -

couldn't find his birth as either Edwin or Edward, but here's his baptism (probably).


Edward Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Edward Blair
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1862
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Edward Blair ( occupation - overlooker)
Mother: Mary Blair
Reference Number: GB127.M45/1/10/2

Harriet Blair
in the Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)
Name: Harriet Blair
Birth Date: 24 May 1864
Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Edward Blair (occupation - dyer)
Mother's name: Mary Blair
Archive Roll: 772


Harriet Blair
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Harriet Blair
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 9
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 112

Mary Ellen Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Report issue
Name: Mary Ellen Blair
Baptism Date: 2 Sep 1866
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Edward Blair (occupation - dyer)
Mother: Mary Blair
Reference Number: GB127.M45/1/10/3


Mary Ellen Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Mary Ellen Blair
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 18
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1866
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1884
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Philip, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears: St Philip Manchester
Father: Edward Blair (Edwin on image, deceased, dyer)
Spouse: John Lee
Reference Number: M299/3/2/5
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 858

Ada Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Ada Blair
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1871
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Edward Blair - labourer (name looks like Edwin on image)
Mother: Mary Blair
Reference Number: GB127.M45/1/10/3


Ada Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Ada Blair
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1869
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1891
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Philip, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears: St Philip Manchester
Father: Edward Blair
Spouse: Matthew Warburton
Reference Number: M299/3/2/6
Item Number: 5
Archive Roll: 858

So - back to his parents named as Edward and Mary:

??? (mistakenly entered as John rather than James ?)

John Alfred Blees
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Alfred Blees (mistranscription)
[John Alfred Blair] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Blees
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 4032
Folio: 149
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Blees 49 - widow
Joseph Blees 21
Elizabeth Blees 15 - could this be Elizabeth Howarth ?? Sister of James F?
Edwin Blees 14
Reuben Blees 10
Harriet Blees 7
Mary Blees 5
John Alfred Blees 3
Ada Blees 3 Months
Charles Howarth 17 - lodger


Possible births of the children (I admit, maybe clutching at straws):




BLAIR, ADA mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 158

BLAIR, MARY ELLEN HOWARTH Order
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 124


BLAIR, HARRIET mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 157

HOWARTH, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 177

or maybe this one:

HOWARTH, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 35

??
HOWARTH, JOSEPH HENRY mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in WORSLEY Volume 20 Page 1030




Haven't found suitable birth record for Reuben or Edwin.

Re Elizabeth, and the mystery James Alfred / F Blair (who can't be a son of Elizabeth, but could be a half-brother or step-brother, maybe):

James Alfred Blair
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: James Alfred Blair
Baptism Date: 3 Jan 1869
Baptism Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Edward Blair <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Mary Blair
Reference Number: GB127.M45/1/10/3



James A Blair
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James A Blair
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Martha Blair
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Beswick and Bradford Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3764
Folio: 87
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
James A Blair 33
Martha Blair 34
Alfred Blair 9
Leah Blair 7
John Dooley 31

James Alfred Beair
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Alfred Beair
[James Alfred Blair]
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 3 Weston Avenue New Moston
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Alum Worker
Registration district: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration district: Failsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 24243
Household Members:
Name Age
James Alfred Beair 42
Martha Beair 43
Alfred Beair 19
Leah Beair 17


James Blair
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: James Blair
Gender: Male
Age: 57
Birth Date: abt 1870
Departure Date: 10 May 1927
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Largs Bay
Shipping line: Australian Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 137225
Master: J Beighton

Alum worker (as in 1911 census); home address 59 Millfield, Widnes; travelling with wife Martha.


A couple named James Alfred Blair and wife Martha are on several Australia electoral rolls - 1930, 1933, 1937, 1943. Martha's not with him in 1949.

Elizabeth's marriage details:

There was 1 match for this search!

Marriage: 24 Dec 1876 All Souls, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Edward Shephard - Minor, Fine Spinner, Bachelor, 7 Higginson St.
Elizabeth Howarth - (X), Minor, Spinster, 7 Higginson St.
Groom's Father: Edward Shephard, Deceased, Fine-Spinner
Bride's Father: Edward Howarth, Deceased, Dyer
Witness: Charles Howarth; Mary Jane Noon, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Skewes Curate
Register: Marriages 1846 - 1878, Page 210, Entry 419
Source: LDS Family Search

Dea x

Hi everyone,

Thank you so much for your help - there are certainly new leads in here for me to explore :)

The confusion for me was due to his father not being named on his birth certificate but it's looking likely that it was Shepherd. Looks like Elizabeth was not married when Samuel was born...

Thank you once again!

Re the 1891 census -

that 6-yr-old Edward isn't the Samuel Edward we're looking for . Wrong YOB, anyway.

This will be Edward's birth:

SHEPHERD, EDWARD mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 214



Must be the right family, though, as there's only one marriage showing for an Edward Shepherd to an Elizabeth Howarth.

I don't know the answer to the Harriet problem, however.

Maryb -

Hmmm, yes, that's a problem!

Re James F Blair in the 1891 posted above:

maybe he's James "Fred" ?

BLAIR, JAMES ALFRED mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 169

Not sure what relation he is, though. He's too old to be a son of Elizabeth - unless she was only about 13? Not impossible, I suppose.

That would indeed make him a brother-in-law of Edward, as stated on the census.

EDIT:
No, it wouldn't. It would make him a stepson of Edward.

I don't see him in other censuses - so far.

But this is Harriet Shepherd 1883 mum nee Howarth
J Qtr 1883 Manchester 8d 185

Samuel Edward Howarth no mum maiden name
J Qtr 1883 Rochdale 8e 8

So Elizabeth couldn't have had 2 children same time at 2 different places
Or am I missing something.

Maryb.

You'd have to buy a copy of Elizabeth & Edward's marriage cert to find out her father's name before we can find anything about her before marriage.

There are several Elizabeth Howarths born c1856 in Manchester.

Samuel Shepherd
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Samuel Shepherd
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Milnrow, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Balderstone St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3833
Folio: 67
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Gledhill 36
Sarah E Gledhill 34
Samuel Shepherd 17

Re above 1891 census -

births of the daughters Elizabeth, Edith, and Harriet:

SHEPHARD, ELIZABETH mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 216


SHEPHERD, HARRIET mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 185


SHEPHERD, EDITH mms HOWARTH
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 219

????


Edward Shepherd
in the 1891 England Census

Name: Edward Shepherd
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's name: Edward Shepherd
Mother's name: Elizabeth Shepherd
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3234
Folio: 100
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Shepherd 35
Elizabeth Shepherd 35
Elizabeth Shepherd 13
Edith Shepherd 11
Harriet Shepherd 8
Edward Shepherd 6
James F Blair 22 - brother-in-law, single [ ?? ]

???

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
HOWARTH Elizabeth Manchester 8d 281
Shephard Edward Manchester 8d 281

His baptism record?

Samuel Edward Stepherd Shephard Howarth
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name:
Samuel Edward Stepherd Shephard Howarth
Age:
0
Birth Date:
14 May 1883
Baptism Date:
1 Jul 1883
Baptism Place:
Milnrow, St James, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears:
Milnrow
Father:
Edward Shephard Howarth
Mother:
Elizabeth Shephard Howarth
Reference Number:
GB127.L77/1/1/7

Surname on original looks like Shepherd & Howarth as if father is Shepherd and mother is Howarth but i could be wrong.

Samuel Edward Shepherd
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Samuel Edward Shepherd
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1883
Baptism Place: Milnrow, Lancashire, England
Father: Edward Shepherd
Mother: Elizabeth Howard
FHL Film Number: 1594109

so his mother was not married

HOWARTH, SAMUEL  EDWARD  
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GRO Reference: 1883  J Quarter in ROCHDALE  Volume 08E  Page 8