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Thank you all so much for all your help.

Austin.... You have definitely cracked it. A family member has said that Morrice definitely rings a bell. And so does Bertram!!

Also kay and kath for your input!!

:-D

Very much appreciated :-D :-D

And, just to confirm the above information is correct, Lily's daughter, Mary E (born 1927), married Bertram Chainey in 1947.

On the 1949 electoral register, Mary and Bertram are living with Lily in Luton:

1949 electoral register
1 Leicester Road, Luton

Bertram W Chainey
Mary E Chainey
Alex Morrison
Lily Morrice

Thomas does not appear on the electoral register with Lily after the war- this could be Thomas' death:

UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
Name: Thomas Morrice
Given Initials: T
Rank: Gunner
Age: 37
Death Date: 17 Apr 1945
Number: 1073668
Birth Place: Aberdeen
Residence: Bedfordshire
Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery

The Bedfordshire electoral registers are online at Ancestry.

1938/ 39- she is using her maiden name:

1 Leicester Road, Luton
Thomas Morrice
Lily May Wilkins
Clarence Wilkins
William Roberts
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In 1937 Thomas Morrice is living at 32 Pine Street, Luton. He is living with a Lily Jean Adams- who I suspect is your Lily.

I think I've found her- looks like she didn't stay with husband.

This is her birth:

WILKINS, LILY MAY (Mother's maiden name: WATKINS )
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 856 Occasional Copy: A

She also had a sibling born after the 1911 census:

WILKINS, CLARENCE (Mother's maiden name: WATKINS)
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 1874
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This is Clarence in 1939 (Note the Lily at the same address)

Morrice Household (3 People) 1 Leicester Road , Luton M.B., Bedfordshire, England

Lily Mrs (Tom) Morrice 13 May 1901 Female Theater Cleaner Domestic Duties Married
William R Roberts 14 Aug 1911 Male Aircraft Slotter Single
Clarence Wilkins 03 Jul 1912 Male Surface Grinder Single
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Her death is listed under two names- indicating that she went by the surname Morrice, but was still legally surname Adams:

Death:
Name: Lily May Morrice
Name: Lily May Adams

Birth Date: 13 May 1900
Date of Registration: Sep 1975
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9 Page: 0361

If you buy her birth certificate (the second birth record given by malyon earlier) then you will have her exact date of birth.

I expect that if she was very nearly 11 years old in the 1911 census then they may have just said 11 instead of almost 11.

Kath. x

Why not buy a copy of her marriage certificate it will give her age and fathers name.


I wonder if the 1939 register I posted is her.as she isnt with who you know is her husband and family,going on his age in 1939 she could have been a simlar age.

I am still trying to work out Lily's Birth...

I thought I had found her death which stated her birth as 13 May 1900

but ...in the 1911 census - taken 2 April it states Lily as 11 years old, which she wouldn't be until May??!!

Oh i'm so confused :-S :-S :-S :-S

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you both Jan and Kath for your help finding this info.

I will have a look at margaret's tree and see if I can make contact :-)

Once I have gathered all this information together, I will be looking at William to see where he fits in with the family :-D

Hopefully it won't be too complicated.

Thanks again

If you go to search trees and put in Glennis Adams 1918 someone called Margaret looks like she has her in her tree. Margaret may be a daughter of Glennis. You could then send her a message.

I suppose the other closed record could be the Lily (1920) or Mary E (1927) ?
Possible Thomas death year
Deaths
quarter Jun 1953
ADAMS Thomas W age 59 Bridgend 8b 61

May be Glennis death index

Bryant Glennis born 1918 died 2005 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales

A record would be closed because the person involved was still alive in around 1990 when they stopped updating the register. Before 1990 the register was regularly updated and anyone who had died previously had their record opened and any female who married had their married name included.

To get a closed record opened you have to have proof that they have died (i.e. a death certificate).

Kath. x

possible William's birth

Births Jun 1922

Adams William S mothers maiden name Davies. Bridgend 11a 1630
If it is then he is not one of their children.

Possible children

Births Mar 1919

Adams Glennis mmn Wilkins Pontypridd 11a 948


Births Sep 1919
Adams Sarah L Wilkins Pontypridd 11a 1108

Births Dec 1920
Adams Lily Wilkins Pontypridd 11a 1271

Births Jun 1927
Adams Mary E Wilkins Pontypridd 11a 960

Thanks Kay,

I do believe that Lily was born 1900, I have her in the 1901 aged 11 months.

Thanks Kath!

I can see where you're coming from now in regards to the closed record.

why is it closed and how can I open it??? :-D :-D :-D

Advice would be appreciated.

The closed record is definitely with the Adams household as Rachel A. Scott in the next household is number 1 in that household, not number 2, so the closed record has to be person number 5 in the Adams household.

The addresses on that page are all even numbers, so wouldn't expect number 47 to be showing on that page.

Kath. x

Lily Adams 1895 Pontardawe R.D. Glamorganshire
Transcription
(purchased).


This one appears to be in hospital,

Lily Adams,

6/4/95.
Married.

the hospital name is.

Clu-r?-s?dach Hospital.

along with many others who have closed records.

I'm not sure if that is a closed record for the same household Kath,
think it might be for number 47? as cannot see the address anywhere if you catch my drift :-)

Just realised that there is a closed record on the above 1939 Register record. Maybe you know if there are any other children or if it could be Lily?

Kath. x

Fantastic Kath !!!

Thank you Jan also!! Thats brilliant that you found this!

There is no Lily on here which still confuses me but finding these is fab!

I wont give up on Lily yet!

Thank you :-D