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Member Since: February 2004 Posts: 383 Send Message	PatW	Report	23 Apr 2017 00:07
	Elizabeth seems to have been a very busy woman and a glutton for punishment. Pat
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 00:22
	Interesting .............. she says her father is called Hoblyn, and that she is single on this record ???? England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Elizabeth Hoblyn Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 22 Birth Date: 1871 Marriage Date: 2 Apr 1893 Marriage Place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England Father: Thomas Hoblyn Spouse: Henry John Gouldsmith FHL Film Number: 1545940 Reference ID: it276, pg4, no8 Name: Henry John Gouldsmith Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 22 Birth Date: 1871 Marriage Date: 2 Apr 1893 Marriage Place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England Father: William Gouldsmith Spouse: Elizabeth Hoblyn
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 00:29
	Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Elizabeth Gouldsmith [Elizabeth O'Neill] Gender: Female Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1873 Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 3 Feb 1906 Parish: Leyland, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Leyland' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Richard Silcock Spouse Age: 38 Father: Thomas O'Neill Spouse Father: Richard Silcock Register Type: Parish Register from the image:- Richard Bachelor Age 38 Labourer Address:- Leyland Father Occupation:- Farmer Elizabeth Widow Domestic Servant Address:- Leyland Father occupation:- Brickmaker Witnesses:- James Evan Brindle (his mark) and Eliza Heaton
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 00:45
	The link that Nyx gave for the probate of Frank's will does not work Try .... https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate then Start Then Wills and Probate 1858-1996 The site does seem temperamental!!! The entry reads:- Hoblyn Frank of Portland Place Liverpool public house manager died 22 November 1892 at Mendora Road Fulham London. Administration Liverpool 10 December 1892 to Elizabeth Hoblyn widow. Effects (pound) 121 17s
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 00:56
	It looks as though Frank had been visiting his parents in London. Note the names of his mother and sister 1881 Census Name: Frank Hoblyn Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relationship to Head: Son Father: James Hoblyn Mother: Helena Hoblyn Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 4 Rock Avenue Occupation: Newsboy Registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 70 Folio: 11 Page Number: 17 James Hoblyn 49 b.ca 1832, Pimlico, Middlesex, House Painter Helena Hoblyn 47 b.ca 1834, Devenport James W. Hoblyn 20 Frank Hoblyn 17 Helena Mary Hoblyn 9 Jane Frances Hoblyn 3 1891 Census Name: James Hoblyn Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Helena Hoblyn Gender: Male Where born: Pimlico, London, England Civil Parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Piece: 48 Folio: 109 Page Number: 33 James Hoblyn 61 Helena Hoblyn 58 Emily Hoblyn 24 Helena M Hoblyn 19 Jane F Hoblyn 13 Address:- 23 Mendora Road
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 01:06
	In fact, Frank died before Lena was born ............... Frank died 22 November 1892 Lena was born 14 Dec 1892 according to the CofE baptism, or 14 January 1893, according to her Catholic baptism. Registration in March quarter 1893 is correct for either birth. But it looks as though she might not have told Henry Gouldsmith that she had been married before ............ the register apparently shows that she was single, and the father's name on that record of Thomas Hoblyn appears to be a combination of her own father's name (Thomas) and Frank's surname.
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 01:21
	Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%) Gouldsmith Henry John 28 W. Derby 8b 341
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 03:30
	???????? Marriages Sep 1927 (>99%) Morris James Wiggans Chorley 8e 1381 Wiggans Lena Morris Chorley 8e 1381 from lancs bmd WIGGANS Lena MORRIS James Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/49/190
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 03:54
	????? George's death Age is a little wrong, but he might have lied about his age on the marriage certificate! Deaths Jun 1926 (>99%) Wiggans George 41 Chorley 8e 526 Lancashire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1986 Name: George Wiggans Birth Year: abt 1885 Death Age: 41 Burial Date: 7 May 1926 Burial Parish: Leyland, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Leyland' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Register Type: Parish Register from image:- Address:- 26 Bradshaw Street, Leyland
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 04:21
	I cannot find a George Wiggans with father John, as is on the marriage posted by Nyx at 22:37 yesterday There are only these two birth registrations for George Wiggans in Chorley between 1884 and 1892 WIGGANS, GEORGE CULSHAW GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 542 WIGGANS, GEORGE WOODS GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 532 no marriage Wiggans / Culshaw Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%) WIGGANS Adam Chorley 8e 715 WOODS Ellen Ann Chorley 8e 715 If true, these are possible siblings WIGGANS, SARAH JANE WOODS GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 491 WIGGANS, JOHN WOODS GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 532 WIGGANS, FREDERICK WOODS GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 530 WIGGANS, ROGER WOODS <<<<<<<<<< possible twin for George??? GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 532 WIGGANS, NANCY WOODS GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 563 WIGGANS, FRANK WOODS GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 51 if the above true, this is them in the 1891 Census ..... 1891 Census Name: George Wiggans Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's name: Adam Wiggans Mother's name: Ellen A Wiggans Gender: Male Where born: Heapey, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Heapey Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Heapey County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorley ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 3426 Folio: 58 Page Number: 11 Adam Wiggans 33 b.ca 1858, Euxton, Lancashire, Quarryman, Stone, Delph Ellen A Wiggans 33 b.ca 1838, Wheelton, Lancashire, Cotton Weaver Sarah J Wiggans 10 Frederick Wiggans 7 Rodger Wiggans 4 George Wiggans 4 Nancy Wiggans 1 Address:- Long Row and 1901 View 1901 England Census View blank form Report issue Name: George Wiggans Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: Adam Wiggans Mother: Ellen A Wiggans Birth Place: Heapey, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Heapey Search Photos: Search for 'Heapey' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Heapey County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Chorley Sub-registration district: Chorley ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3939 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household schedule number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Adam Wiggans 43 Ellen A Wiggans 43 Sarah J Wiggans 20 Frederick Wiggans 17 Roger Wiggans 14 George Wiggans 14 Nancy Wiggans 11 Frank Wiggans 8 DRAT DRAT DRAT This George apparently died and was buried 21 Dec 1901, age 24, in Heapey so NOT the one!!
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 04:40
	Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 Name: George Wiggans Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1885 Parish: Eccleston, St Mary the Virgin, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Eccleston, St Mary the Virgin' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: John Wiggans Mother: Elizabeth Wiggans Register Type: Parish Registers Reference Number: Pr 2695/12 Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%) WIGGANS John Preston 8e 747 Wilkinson Elizabeth Preston 8e 747 BUT I cannot find a birth registration for a George Wiggans with mmn Wilkinson
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 05:01
	Lena in 1939 ..... 1939 Register Morris Household (6 People) 14 Spring Gardens , Leyland U.D., Lancashire, England Lena Morris 14 Feb 1893 Housewife James Morris 24 Nov 1885 Rubber Worker,Cutter Frank Morris 08 Dec 1928 At School Edna Baker (Morris) 07 Oct 1930 At School George F Wiggins 14 Feb 1917 Dyas Labourer Gladys Jennings (Wiggins) 24 May 1923 Drawers Reacher There are 3 closed records between Edna and George Wiggins for presumably for children thought to be still alive. from freebmd ........... Births Sep 1911 (>99%) WIGGINS Elizabeth Hoblin Chorley 8e 842 Births Dec 1914 (>99%) WIGGANS Ellen Hobling Chorley 8e 775 Births Mar 1917 (>99%) Wiggins George F Hobling Chorley 8e 592 Births Sep 1923 (>99%) Wiggans Gladys Hobling Chorley 8e 659 Births Dec 1927 (>99%) Morris Richard Wiggins Chorley 8e 513 Births Dec 1928 (>99%) Morris Frank Wiggans Chorley 8e 523 Births Dec 1930 (>99%) Morris Edna Wiggans Chorley 8e 479 Births Sep 1933 (>99%) MORRIS Brenda Hobling Chorley 8e 469 Births Jun 1935 (>99%) Morris Marina Hobling Chorley 8e 447 Births Sep 1936 (>99%) MORRIS Robert Hoblin Chorley 8e 460 The spacing of the Wiggans/Wiggins children might indicate that George served in WW1, so need to look for his Service Record. I didn't check for deaths
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	23 Apr 2017 05:13
	??????? Marriages Sep 1948 (>99%) King Ronald Morris Chorley 10c 9 Morris Lena King Chorley 10c 9 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1948 MORRIS Lena KING Ronald Christ Church, Charnock Richard Preston C5/1/460
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Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	23 Apr 2017 07:34
	This is very probably the marriage to Elizabeth - (parents of George): Marriage: 26 Feb 1865 St George, Wigan, Lancashire, England John Wiggins - (X), Full, Labourer, Bachelor, Lime Street Elizabeth Kilshaw - (X), Minor, Weaver, Spinster, Lime Street Groom's Father: Thomas Wigans, Labourer Bride's Father: Peter Kilshaw, Overlooker Witness: Henry Taylor, (X); Ann Wiggins, (X) Married by Banns by: Saml. Davis, Off. Minister Register: Marriages 1861 - 1867, Page 164, Entry 328 Source: LDS Film 1885726 Dea x
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	23 Apr 2017 07:49
	Here they are on 1871: 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lark Hill, Euxton, Chorley, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Wiggans Head - Male 32 1839 - Lancashire, England Ag. Labr. b. Ulnes Walton Transcription Elizabeth Wiggans Wife - Female 24 1847 - Lancashire, England b. Wigan Transcription Ellen Wiggans Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Wiggans Son - Male 3 1868 - Lancashire, England Transcription John Wiggans Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England Baptism: 16 Jul 1865 St Mary the Virgin, Eccleston, Lancashire, England Ellen Wiggans - [Child] of John Wiggans & Elizabeth Abode: Eccleston Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: John Sparling Rector Register: Baptisms 1847 - 1900, Page 88, Entry 704 Source: LDS Film 1526114 Baptism: 16 Aug 1868 St Mary the Virgin, Eccleston, Lancashire, England Thomas Wiggans - [Child] of John Wiggans & Elizabeth Abode: Eccleston Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: John Sparling Rector Register: Baptisms 1847 - 1900, Page 98, Entry 783 Source: LDS Film 1526114 Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: WIGGANS, ELLEN CULSHAW Order GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 454 WIGGANS, THOMAS CULSHAW Order GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in CHORLEY Volume 08E Page 492 Dea x
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	23 Apr 2017 08:12
	Elizabeth could be either of these two: Baptism: 10 May 1847 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Culshaw - Daur. of Peter Culshaw & Elizabeth Abode: Wigan Occupation: Overlooker Baptised by: E. Pigot Curate Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1848, Page 288, Entry 2303 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Baptism: 24 May 1847 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Culshaw - Daur. of Peter Culshaw & Margaret Born: 9 May Abode: Scholes Occupation: Overlooker Baptised by: E. Pigot Curate Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1848, Page 295, Entry 2360 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Dea x
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	23 Apr 2017 08:32
	Ahhhha !! - It is Peter & Margaret !! (So these are George's grandparents). They are at Lime St in 1861 - same address as on the marriage record: 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 40, Lime Street, Wigan, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Peter Culshaw Head Married Male 46 1815 Overlooker... Burscough, Lancashire, England Transcription Margaret Culshaw Wife Married Female 47 1814 - Wigan, Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Culshaw Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England Transcription John Culshaw Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England Transcription Margaret A Culshaw Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England Dea x
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	23 Apr 2017 10:19
	This is the Wiggans family: 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Roe Moor Horts Cottage, Eccleston, Chorley, Lancashire, England Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Wiggans Head Married Male 34 1817 Farmer of 6 acres + Potato dealer. Eccleston, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Wiggans Wife Married Female 31 1820 Farmer's Wife Lancashire, England Transcription John Wiggans Son - Male 12 1839 Farmer's Son Lancashire, England Transcription Ann Wiggans Daughter - Female 9 1842 Farmer's Daughter Eccleston, Lancashire, England Transcription James Wiggans Son - Male 4 1847 Farmer's Son Eccleston, Lancashire, England Transcription Ellen Wiggans Daughter - Female 1 1850 Farmer's Daughter Eccleston, Lancashire, England Transcription Census details Dea x

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