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Same family in 1851 but no Robert!

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Crofthead, Kirkmahoe, Nithsdale, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

David Martin Head Married Male 45 1806 Agriculture Labourer Kirkgunzeon, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Mary Martin Wife Married Female 43 1808 Wife Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Martin Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Son Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Martin Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Son Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Marion Martin Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Daur Dumfriesshire, Scotland
David Martin Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 Son Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Right. I keep coming back to this record. I know the birth year is wrong for Robert but maybe the Robert on this census died and they used the name again? Or possibly he knocked a few years off his age because he was older than Margaret.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bankhead, Kirkmahoe, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

David Martin Male 35 1806 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Mary Martin Female 30 1811 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Jannet Martin Female 10 1831 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Agness Martin Female 4 1837 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Martin Male 4 1837 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Martin Male 2 1839 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Robert Martin Male 0 1841 Dumfriesshire, Scotland


Will see if I can find the same family in 1851 or 1861.

Mary Sharp and David Martin. There is a marriage record for them 28.05.30 in old parish record but she is down as a Marrion not Mary. ALso these names are on his death certificate from 2nd Oct 1901, Muirkirk, AYr. Dont know why I thought Ireland really as wouldnt make sense! Mustn't have been christened, just thought with his parents having been married? Think you must be right on this as no record at all, and no mismatched spellings around this time either..

What names did Robert give for his parents when he married Margaret Green please?

His birth may not be recorded anywhere if he wasn't christened. I would doubt that he came from Ireland although his parents may have. He states birthplace as Dumfriesshire on all the census records.

Thanks! Any idea about the Robert Martin birth rgistration? Cant find a record at all... maybe came from Ireland am thinking?

Margaret's parents in 1891

1891 Scotland Census Transcription
Mochrum, Wigtownshire, Scotland

John Green Head Married Male 62 1829 Grocer Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Isabella Green Wife Married Female 62 1829 Grocer Wife Closeburn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Elizath Green Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1866 Grocer Daughter Closeburn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Yes those results tally with what Ive found too, just a missing birth record now!

He may not have been christened. Even in those days, not everyone was.

This seems to be Margaret's Mum's death. They seem to have moved from Ayrshire


Surname Forename Age at death Year Ref RD Name Image View
GREEN
ISABELLA
72
1900
626/A2 133
Cadder (Eastern)

Just presumed Robert was living in Ayrshire still which gives me one death result which matches. But still cant find a birth record for him around the 1845 mark!

And Margaret's

Year Ref RD Name Image View
MARTIN
MARGARET
78
1932
607/ 39
Muirkirk

Think this is his death

MARTIN ROBERT. 57. 1901. 607/ 70
Muirkirk

Trying to narrow the search years here.

Still in Muirkirk in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kames Row, 10, Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland

Robert Martin Head Married Male 56 1845 Collier Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Margaret Martin Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Closeburn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
James Martin Son Single Male 21 1880 Collier Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland
Isabella Martin Daughter - Female 11 1890 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Elsie Martin Daughter - Female 9 1892 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Robert Martin Son - Male 7 1894 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland

ah just found a different search route on scotlands people so will try it out.

1891 Scotland Census Transcription
Kames Row, Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland

Robert Martin Head Married Male 46 1845 Coal Miner Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Margaret Martin Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Closeburn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Martin Son Unmarried Male 15 1876 General Labourer Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland
James Martin Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Martin Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland
Agnes Martin Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Bella Martin Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
William Johnstone Boarder Unmarried Male 18 1873 Railway Surfaceman Sanquhar, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Thats the problem there are quite a few results without knowing the date of death... even with approx guess at range of years... its expensive!

Oh! Blast, there used to be that option. Somethings just don't change for the better!

Are you sure that it doesn't give age at death when you look at all the results?

1871 census gives Robert's birth year as 1844 and place of birth as Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire

problem with scotlandspeople is its pay to view each record... and there isnt an option to search for a death with an approximate birth date... hmm.

thanks thats useful to know!