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I think Mary Coffield was probably a busy girl !

There is a Charles McTaggart in Campbeltown in 1891 - a single servant. By 1901 it is maybe he who is married to a lass 16 years his junior - Margaret Muir or McConachy (married 1899 Reference Campbeltown 507/49 for both surnames)

You wonderful people thankyou so much for the information. Greatly appreciated. X :-D

Thankyou to all who have helped me with my queary. I have one more if anyone is up for some detective work. My grandfather Thomas ( Tomas) William Hart was born in shadwell london in we believe 1908. His mother was Emma Agnes Hart. I have not. Been able to locate a birth certificate or marriage certificate to my nan Racheal Ainsley Hart nee Coffield. They lived in Chelmsford. Grandad never spoke of his family the youngest of 9. Thankyou all again. X :-D

just for ref

Name Rachael Ainsley Hart
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1997
Registration District Chelmsford
County Essex
Event Place Chelmsford, Essex, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 07 Dec 1915
Volume 4681C
Page C7G

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Coffield Rachel E Coffield Shoreditch 1c 33

Hart Household (3 People) 200 Spring Field Road , Chelmsford M.B., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Rachel A Hart 07 Dec 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 6 2
Thomas W Hart 23 May 1906 Male Milk Roundsman Married 6 1
Reginald T Coffield 31 Jul 1924 Male Wood Machinist Single 6 4

1911 37,Ordnance Road Canning Town

Emma Hart born Lambeth 1863 wife actually she was baptised 1860.
Clare Elizabeth daughter born 1892 Shadwell
Beatrice Elizabeth daughter 1895 Shadwell
Pomas Qen 1903 Shadwell should say Thomas Hart.

Maryb.

If the 1939 register shows Rachel Hart as born 7 Dec 1915, as does the death registration then the Shoreditch birth registration can't be hers (Sept. 1915).

The Shoreditch birth reg.also shows Rachel E Coffield, not Rachael A, so would this Scottish registration be hers??

Surname Forename Gender Year Ref RD Name

COFFIELD RACHEL AINSLEY F 1915 644/6 869 Springburn

There is no other reference to her on the Scotland's People site

Abby loved my grandparents dearly but seemed to have uncovered some odd things. You have the reight people. Just grandads birth seems to have not been registeredcand unable to locate marriage. No one in the family seemed to know when his birth was. 1903 to 1908. Even my dad was never sure. The plot thickens. Xx thankyou for your help. It is much appreciated :-D

Chasing the family back to try and find Emma's husband's name to try to find births

This is the 1911 from FMP - looking at Emma's writing I wonder if Tomas Oen might be Thomas Owen?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
37 Ordnance Road Canning Town E, West Ham, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Emma Agnes Hart Head Married Female General Servant 48 1863 Lambeth London
Clara Elizabeth Hart Daughter Single Female Button Hole Maker 19 1892 Shadwell London
Beatrice Elizabeth Hart Daughter Single Female Sweet Bapper 16 1895 Shadwell London
Tomas Oen Son - Male - 8 1903 Shadwell London

Emma says she has been married 30 years and had 9 children, 2 have died.

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This looks to be the family in 1901, still no husband

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, Ascot Street, West Ham, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emma Hart Head Married Female 38 1863 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Emma Hart Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Umbrella Maker Lambeth, Surrey, England
George Hart Son Single Male 20 1881 Carman Lambeth, Surrey, England
Alice Hart Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Glove Finisher Lambeth, Surrey, England
Frederick Hart Son Single Male 16 1885 Tea Packer Blackfriars, Surrey, England
Alfred Hart Son - Male 14 1887 - Dartford, Kent, England
Clara Hart Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Shadwell, Middlesex, England
Beatrice Hart Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Shadwell, Middlesex, England
Thomas Stander Boarder Single Male 46 1855 General Labourer Brighton, Sussex, England

Birth registrations of the children - below makes the 9 that Emma declares on the 1911 census, so Thomas ? not hers - possibly child of an older unmarried daughter?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HART, EMMA AMELIA RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 405

HART, GEORGE EDWARD RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 415

HART, ALICE MATILDA RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 407

HART, FREDERICK CHARLES RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 51

HART, ALFRED RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 479

HART, ARTHUR JOHN RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 374

HART, CLARA ELIZABETH RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in ST GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 390

HART, BEATY ELIZABETH RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 428

HART, ERNEST EDWARD RICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 379

Parents marriage

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name HART
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1878
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE HART married
Emma Agnes Rickman
District Lambeth
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 692

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

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First name(s) Rachael
Last name Coffield
Gender Female
Age 4
Birth year 1915
Occupation CHILD
Departure year 1919
Departure day 28
Departure month 11
Departure port Glasgow
Destination port Saint John NB
Destination SAINT JOHN NB
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Pretorian
Ship official number 113969
Ship master's first name H
Ship master's last name SIBBONS
Shipping line ALLAN
City GLASGOW
Ship destination port ST JOHNS NF
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 5750
Ship registered tonnage 4375
Number of passengers 436
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States & Canada

as rachael went to canada she might of married in canada

Chelmsford Chronicle - Friday 07 September 1945

MOTTER- COFFIELD- The engagement is announced between S/Sgt Glenn E Motter, US 8th AF., youngest son of Mr & Mrs Motter, Hurstburgh, Pennsylvania, and Una, daughter of Mr & Mrs Coffield of Manitoba, Canada, presently residing in Chelmsford.


Passenger Lists leaving UK
name(s) Una M Coffield
Gender Female
Age 23
Birth year 1923
Occupation NONE
Departure 16 June 1946
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Halifax
Country Canada
Ship name Ile De France

Last UK address: 200 Springfield Road, Chelmsford.

(Note address is same as address for Rachel in 1939)
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Essex Newsman - Tuesday 31 August 1948

COFFIELD- PERKINS On Aug 25 1948 at London Road Conregational Church, Reginald Thomas, only son of Mr & Mrs Coffield of Winnipeg, Canada, to Brenda Margaret, only daughter of Mr & Mrs G Perkins of Eastern Crescent, Chelmsford.

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

name(s) Eleanor Coffield
Gender Female
Age 52
Birth year 1893
Occupation H WIFE
Departure 16 May 1945
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Halifax
Destination country Canada
Ship name Axel Johnson

UK Address: 200 Springfield Road, Chelmsford
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And again in 1950:

name(s) Eleanor Coffield
Gender Female
Age 57
Birth year 1893
Occupation HOUSEWIFE
Departure 8 April 1950
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Destination country Canada
Ship name Franconia

UK Adress: 200 Springfield Road, Chelmsford

Can I just ask- if you don't know the birth date for Thomas William Hart and don't have his birth certificate or marriage certificate, how certain are you that Emma Agnes Hart was his mother? Or that the 1911 census is of the same man that was with Rachel on the 1939 register?

Did the family have any contact with his Mum or siblings?

Emma Amelia/Agnes Hart 1879 married Thomas James Smith in
Poplar.
Dec 25th 1902 dad George Hart a Carman
witnessed by
George Edward Hart and Sarah Smith.

1911 they had 3 children 1 died
Thomas George Smith M Qtr 1905 Stepney V1c P364 died April 1905
Alfred Thomas Hart 1906
Marie Alice 1909

So the only other daughter who could be Thomas 1903 mum could be Alice Matilda Hart born 1882.

I can't see a marriage for her but it is possible she was a servant on 1911 census record.

Maryb.

I've had a message from Deborah confirming the connection to Hart/ Rickman family. Her Dad remembers visiting Clara and John Frost:

Marriage for 'sister':
Name: Clara Elizabeth Hart
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Age: 23
Spouse: John James Frost
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Mar 1916
Parish: St Saviour, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Hart
Spouse Father: Alfred James Frost

1939
Frost Household 98 Guinness Buildings , Hackney, London, England
John J Frost 13 Jun 1891 Male Stoker Heavy Worker Married
Clara E Frost 07 Aug 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Ivy E Frost 14 Jun 1918 Female Solutioner Shoe Factory Single
Beatrice J H Turnbull (Frost) 13 Jul 1920 Female Shorthand Typist Single
Closed Record
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'sister' Beatrice in 1939:

Taylor Household 12 Manning Road , Dagenham M.B., Essex, England

William Taylor 03 Nov 1894 Male ??? Married
Beatrice E Taylor 01 Apr 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Leonard W Taylor 30 Apr 1922 Male Assistant (Tea Sales Room) Single
Ernest W Taylor 26 Dec 1923 Male Assistant Textile Warehouse Single
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It's getting late, but I'll take another look at this tomorrow.

OK- made a breakthough:-

Greyghost posted the 1911 census of the family and suggested that Thomas/ Tomas was possibly listed as Tomas Owen (the writing makes it difficult to read).

Looking at the 1901 census for the family, there is a Thomas Stander boarding with them. As we know that Thomas wasn't a child from Emma's husband, I wondered if he was Thomas Stander's son.

Following the boarder, Thomas Stander- I noted his surname was actually STANDEN.

I then found Thomas's birth:

STANDEN, THOMAS OWEN (mother's maiden: RICKMAN )
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 634

So it appears the Thomas was the son of Emma Hart (nee Rickman) and Thomas Standen.

:-)

The name is Standing here:

Thomas Owen Standing
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Record Type:
Baptism
Baptism Date:
28 Jun 1903
Father's name:
Thomas Standing
Mother's name:
Emma Standing
Parish or Poor Law Union:
St Gabriel, Chrisp Street
Borough:
Tower Hamlets
Register Type:
Parish Registers