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Thanks all for your help with this!

AustinQ THANK YOU,

you have been a lot of help on some of my other enquiries too.

i appreciate the time you have taken to look into and find information for me.

Thanks again! :-)

Thank you for all your help :-D

Bertha's age is a little out from the 1939- but as she ends up in Glamorgan I'm thinking it's correct.

Arthur's birth:

BOWEN, ARTHUR CHARLES EDWARD mmn: SMART
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in CHIPPING SODBURY Volume 06A Page 233

AustinQ

:-D

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Winterbourne Hill Near Bristol, Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England

Bertha Bowen Wife Married Female Tailore'ss 30 1881 Winterbourne
Auther Bowen Son Single Male School 6 1905 Winterbourne
Lilly Smart Lodger Single Female Tailor'Ess 22 1889 Winterbourne

First name(s) BERTHA E
Last name BOWEN
Gender Female
Birth year 1881
Age 69
Death quarter 1
Death year 1950
District Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Volume 8B Page 93
Country Wales

Marriages Dec 1903
BOWEN Charles Barton R. 6a 479
Cowles George Henry Barton R. 6a 479
SMART Bertha Elizabeth Barton R. 6a 479
SMART Florence Louisa Barton R. 6a 479

Shirley, Harold is with Bertha on the 1939 Register showing Harold's date of birth as 6th January 1916. Original actually says 4th January (a year out if born in 1917) - posted at 23.23 yesterday.

I too couldn't find a marriage Bowen to Smart.

Why not get Harolds birth cert and look for his parents and possible siblings

Births Mar 1917
Bowen Harold L Smart Pontypridd 11a 1096

Possible sister
Births Sep 1915
Bowen Florence H Smart. Pontypridd 11a. 1214

She had married by. 1939

Marriages Jun 1937
Bowen Florence H Price Pontypridd 11a 820
Price David R Bowen Pontypridd 11a 820

1939 register


Price Household (2 People)
3 Pencarreg Road , Llantrisant and Llantwit Fardre R.D., Glamorganshire, Wales

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Florence Price 29 Jun 1915 Domestic Duties Unpaid
David R Price 06 Mar 1916 Felter Munition Works
Ref: RG101/7398E/023/2 Letter Code: XLII
© Findmypast Ltd

I closed record

So not seeing the parents marriage maybe the mum had been married before

Harold still doesn't show on the 1939 register

Births Mar 1917

Bowen Harold L Smart Pontypridd 11a 1096


??

1939 Register

Bowen Household (2 People)

3 Pengarreg Road , Llantrisant and Llantwit Fardre R.D., Glamorganshire, Wales


Bertha Bowen 15 Jan 1887 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Widowed 251 1
>>>>>>Harold Bowen 06 Jan 1916 Male Brick Worker Single 251 2

(on original Harold's date of birth is 04 Jan 1916)

Unfortunately -

Lily was born after 1916 and didn't die until 2014, so her 1939 record won't be open.

Harold would have been 22 and could well have been in the Forces and if so, would not have appeared on the 1939 register.

Yes Andrew That is correct !!!

Thanks for the info Sylv ! I have been in a similar situation myself with fibs being told...
hopefully not this time now we have found a death,

crucial info could be in the 1939 for these as individuals.

Thank for the help :-D

I have found out the following - Harold Leonard Bowen born 4 Jan 1917 Wales
married Lily Adams in 1943 Wales
died May 1988 Luton, Bedfordshire.

And Lily Adams born 13 Oct 1920 Wales
married Harold Leonard Bowen in 1943
died 2014 Luton.

trying to find them in the 1939.

many thanks

the information given on a death certificate is only what the informant knows .......... many people lied about their ages

Thus the birth year on a death certificate may not be the real one.

Most people did seem to keep to the correct day and month ........


but not my Grandfather :-)

He added a year or two when he got married, made himself 19 instead of 17. Grandmother made herself 20 instead of 19 ............. why????????

He convinced all his family that he was born on December 25, we were allowed to think the year was 1884 or possibly 1883.

He lied on the 1939 Register

His birth year is wrong on his death certificate, information given by his only surviving child ................ who later found grandfather's birth certificate in a drawer.

His actual birth was on January 9 1885

I can't even be sure that he gave his right birth date on enlistment in WW1, although that might have been why he had his birth certificate hidden away.

In his case, I think it is possible that his parents might have told him he was born on Christmas Day wo they didn't have to buy 2 sets of presents (if they even got presents!).


Other people lied from vanity, because they were much older or younger than a spouse, or just let people guess!


Hence, I'm not surprised that you cannot find a death based on the known birth year :-)

Death for Harold??

Name: Harold Leonard Bowen
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1917
Date of Registration: May 1988
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 425


Could be this birth

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Bowen Harold L Smart Pontypridd 11a 1096

Andy

I am unable to find Lily's death also, which i thought i would find knowing her birth date.... very strange...

:-D

Thanks for the info detective...

I have found out that Lily's date of birth is 13 Oct 1920
and Harold's birth date is 4 January but i am unsure of the year.

Will this help finding them on the 1939?

many thanks

There is another thing to consider.

If they were born after 1916 and died after 1992, their records may still be closed. FMP are trying to match English/Welsh death indices 1992-2006 with the 1939 register but haven't yet completed the task.

Ok will try and keep an eye on your enquiry ,but there are other helpers who will try to help too :-D

Okay I will report back once I have tried to find out his birth year!

It doesn't help I,m afraid as the L could be any L Christian name

Knowing his birth year would help