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Found parents of James Phillips, household look up please for 1939 register: William J Phillips born 1884 and Ellen Phillips at West Ham C B Essex. When I try and find Ellen's birth by searching Ellen Phillips with household member William J Phillips in West Ham, I can't find her?

William J Phillips on the 1939 Register

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Phillips Household (3 People) 72 Jenkins Road , West Ham C.B., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William J Phillips 17 Jun 1884 Male Sugar Refinery Labourer Single 210 1
Ellen Phillips 25 Jun 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 210 2
Lily Phillips 15 Apr 1898 Female Office Cleaner Oil Works Single 210 3

Thanks, That's put pay to William and Ellen being a couple married in 1912 West Ham then. I was looking for a Phillips married to Smith in west ham. Have the first Child Ellen born in Sept 1912, Alice 1919 and James 1921, certain these children are siblings, just need to find parents.

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clyde Road, West Ham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Phillips Head Married Male 39 1852 Housekeeper Isle of Man, Isle of Man
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Ellen Phillips Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Wapping, Middlesex, England
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William J Phillips Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Silvertown, Essex, England
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Sarah A Phillips Daughter - Female 4 1887 Scholar Silvertown, Essex, England

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PHILLIPS, SARAH ANN BRUCE Order
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 77


PHILLIPS, WILLIAM JOHN BRUCE Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 98

I have found a marriage of William Phillips and Ellen Smith in 1912, West Ham. I have found 4 children from this marriage, Ellen born 1912(died 1937 Ellen Baker) Alice born 1919 living with sister Ellen's husband (William Baker) in 1939, Alice married Walter Sorenson in 1947. Twins Doris and James Phillips born 1921, West Ham. Doris died in 1921 and James was married to Jessie Graham in 1939. The only William (J) Phillips born 1884 that safc and I have found was single and living with his mother Ellen in 1939???
Can anyone shed any light on the marriage of William Phillips and Ellen Smith 1912, West Ham?? and their children Ellen, Alice, Doris and James between 1912 and 1939? Have to wait till monday now for son James marriage cert, should have arrived today :-(

James Phillips marriage cert arrived, I now know James father William Phillips was deceased in 1939 and the witnesses at the marriage was James sister Alice and his other deceased sister Ellen's husband, William J Baker(Baber on cert)
I can't find any info on James Phillips parents William J Phillips born 1884 and Ellen Smith born 1893, they were married in June 1912, West Ham.
Thinking that both James's parents (William J Phillips and Ellen Phillips nee Smith) were both deceased by 1939?? because when James's married aged 17 in 1939, he was living with sibling Alice and Brother in Law William J Baker(Baber)
Whats my best and cheapest option??
Thinking I should go straight to ordering James's parents (William J Phillips & Ellen Smith marriage cert)?? or should I get James birth cert?

James birth cert will only confirm his parents names .

The marriage cert will give their ages on marriage and fathers names ,if known


Williams family census info has already been posted

Wonder about these two

VIEW England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
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Name: Ellen Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Sep 1930
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 349


William J Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Dec 1937
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 608

Need help again
I know have a copy of the marriage cert of William Phillips and Ellen Smith on April 7th 1912, St Lukes Church, Victoria Docks, West Ham.
William Phillips aged 23, living at 30 Brunel Street (not sure about Brunel) William's father was Henry or Harry Phillips, both Labourer's.
Ellen Smith aged 21 of 26 Scott Street and her father was William John Smith also a Labourer.
These ages are a bit off !! So hoping to find either of these two with their families on the 1911 census.
Thanks

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

30 Brunel St Victoria Docks West Ham, West Ham, London, England


Henry Phillips Head Married Male General Labourer 48 1863 Bow London

Sarah Ann Phillips Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Bow London

>>>>>William Phillips Son Single Male General Labourer 22 1889 Canning Town

Frances Phillips Daughter Single Female Solderer 20 1891 Canning Town

Harold Phillips Son Single Male Yard-Lad 17 1894 Canning Town

James Phillips Son Single Male Yard-Lad 15 1896 Canning Town

Violet Phillips Daughter - Female School 8 1903 Canning Town

Alice Phillips Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Canning Town

James Hart Boarder Single Male Labourer 32 1879 London Limehouse

Thank you Choccy for the 1911 info, that's exactly the family members I found in 1901 census and you have found them at Brunel Street in 1911 so I can be sure they are the right Phillips.
I really appreciate your help, now I can move on.