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greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2017 22:33

This seems to be a marriage of Kate Clara Edwards to Herbert Harvey in 1918 ??

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) KATE C
Last name EDWARDS
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1918
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ KATE C EDWARDS married
Herbert Harvey
Spouse's last name Harvey
District Poplar
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Page 594
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The 1907 marriage in Islington shows one of the 2 following grooms -

First name(s) KATE CLARA
Last name EDWARDS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1907
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ KATE CLARA EDWARDS married one of these people
George Sheppard, Ernest Alfred Carpenter
District Islington

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2017 22:35

This would make Herbert born c 1892/3

Kate Clara Edwards
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Kate Clara Edwards
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Age: 23
Spouse: Herbert Harvey
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Mar 1918
Parish: St Leonard St Mary, Bromley
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Edwards
Spouse Father: Joseph Harvey
Register Type: Parish Register

Image is on Ancestry, but page failing to open at present !!

EDIT - now available.

Furter details - Herbert's occupation is soldier, resident in Bromley. Clara resident in Bow.
Herbert's Father deceased, was a Butcher.
Clara's Father William is a Labourer
Witnesses W. ?. Edwards and ?. Collins
Married by licence

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2017 22:58

Are you looking at Royal Tank Corps details for Herbert ? States previously in 3rd Hussars. Looks as though he was posted somewhere with the Army at 1911 census time.

Royal Tank Corps Enlistment Records, 1919-1934 Transcription

First name(s) Herbert
Last name Harvey
Age 19
Birth year 1891
Service number 530304
Regiment Royal Tank Corps
Attestation year 1910
Enlistment date 6 Jan 1910
Birth parish Plaistow
Birth town Stratford
Birth county Essex
Birth country England
Tank corps number 530304
Previous regiment 3rd Hussars
Record set Royal Tank Corps Enlistment Records, 1919-1934

Previously a Carman.

NOK Wife Kate Clara Edwards - Married Parish Church Bromley, London 26.3.1918
Children Rose Lilian - Birth of first child Poplar 28.7.1920

Campaigns, wounds, rewards -
India 11.10.1911 - 15.10.1914
British Expeditionary Force 16.10.1914 - 19.1.1919

Distinguished conduct medal - Supplement to London Gazette 3.6.1918

1914 Star. Victory Medal. British War Medal

Discharged service 5.1.1922 at Canterbury Para. 32A RR
Rank on discharge Sergeant
Conduct on discharge - Exemplary
Address on discharge - 47 Rounton Road, Bow, London E


Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 9 May 2017 06:49

Hi
Grey Ghost
Thankyou so much for your info
The WW1 Records I managed to find were a job to read them so small
(Find my Past )
But now you have opened them up it all goes together
Marriage date 1918 to Kate Clara Edwards plus one Child
1911 Cenus
Just need 1939 Register for Herbert Harvey

The WW1 Records for Sidney Harvey born 1894 were just the same too small
But just can not find his 1911 Census
Thankyou again
Olive


AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 May 2017 09:09

1939 register for Herbert: (Surname Harvey on original)

Harbey Household 47 Rounton Road , Poplar, London, England

Herbert Harbey 25 Dec 1891 Male Haulage Contractor Married
Kate C Harbey 31 Jan 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
5 closed records

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 9 May 2017 16:02

Hi
Thankyou so much for the 1939 Register
They are still living at the same address as the Army Papers

Any luck on Sidney Harvey born 1894 on 1911 Census Please
Bye for now
Olive

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 18 Jun 2017 14:44

Just to say I am doing quite well on The Harvey Family

But I can not seam to find Rosina Ann Webster Mothers name I
know her Father is Robert Webster as it is stated on her Marriage to Joseph Harvey
1884 St Marks Church

Also I haveBirth and death of Sidney Harvey born West Ham 1894 Death 1940
But just carnt find him on 1911 Census
Any ideas please
Thankyou
Olive

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Jun 2017 16:13

IS it this Rose with her brother?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Exeter Villas, 2, Selborne Road, Walthamstow, West Ham, London, England

Charles Webster Head Married Male 25 1856 Bricklayer Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Catherine M Webster Wife Married Female 20 1861 - Devon,
Jacob J Webster Son Single Male 2 1879 - Leytonstone, Essex,
Rosina A Webster Sister Single Female 16 1865 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex

Births:

WEBSTER, CHARLES mother's maiden name: KING
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 265

WEBSTER, ROSE ANN mother's maiden name: KING
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 295

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Jun 2017 16:15

Parent's marriage:

Name: Robert Francis Webster
Spouse: Fanny Francis King
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Dec 1851
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Webster
Spouse Father: James King
Register Type: Parish Register
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bow Common Lane Martins Row, Bromley St Leonard, Poplar, London, England

Robert Webster Head - Male 39 1832 - Middlesex, England
Francis Webster Wife - Female 39 1832 - Middlesex, England
Robert Webster Son - Male 17 1854 - Middlesex, England
Charles Webster Son - Male 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
Francis Webster Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Webster Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
James Webster Son - Male 8 1863 - Middlesex, England
Rose Webster Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
William Webster Son - Male 4 1867 - Middlesex, England
Martha Webster Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Middlesex, England

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 18 Jun 2017 17:14

Thankyou Austin Q
1881 census it Looks like Rosina is living with her Brother
1871 Census she is with her Family
Thankyou
Any luck with Sidney Harvey born 1894 1911 Census Please
Thankyou again
Olive

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 19 Jun 2017 16:03

Hi
I wondered if you would find me a 1911 Census for

Violet Harris born 1902 Nottingham please

Violet Harris married Frederick Asher who was born 1903 Nottingham
Married 1921 Nottingham

Also,they were living Nottingham when the 1939 came out

This is a part of The Harvey Family
Thank you
Olive

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 28 Jun 2017 10:50

Hi
Just an up date on Violet Harris born 1902 Nottingham
I have found Violet Harris on
1911 Census with her Mother and Father
Clara ? And Joseph Harris born 1882 Grantham

I just can not find Frederick R Asher born 1903 Nottingham

Violet Harris - Frederick R Asher married 1921 Nottingham

They are both on 1939 Register
Any ideas
Bye for now and thankyou
Olive

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 11:55

If this is your Frederick and the year of birth is correct then looking for a Q4 1903 or Q1 1904 birth registration. The initial could be R on the register. It's not like the A in Asher, but is more like the initial of sons Frederick and Cyril - GRO shows their initial to be A

Asher Household (13 People)
24 Whitwell Road , Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England
Attach to tree View original imagePrint
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Violet Asher 31 Mar 1902 Female Unpaid House Duties Married 111 2
Frederick A Asher 17 Dec 1903 Male Sand Bla? Married 111 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Frederick A Asher 09 Jul 1924 Male School Single 111 5
Joseph W Asher 19 Aug 1926 Male School Single 111 6
Dorothy M Squires (Asher) 17 Sep 1927 Female School Single 111 7
Cyril A Asher 04 Oct 1928 Male School Single 111 8
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Pauline P Watts (Asher) 16 Dec 1935 Female School Single 111 11
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

These are the 2 possibilities for the registrations

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ASHER, FREDERICK ELEY Order
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 207
ASHER, FREDERICK WESSON Order
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 383

Neither have an initial - so if the year of birth were out by 1 on the 1939 register the one below would be a possibility

ASHER, FREDERICK RUSSELL SAMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 393

Do you have the 1921 marriage certificate for Father's names and occupations?

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 12:12

?His death. 1951 - 48 makes 1903 as stated, but it would have to have been early 1902 to early 1903 depending on when in Q1 he died, so the Frederick Russell Q1 1903 birth registration would work. Unless the age at death is wrong!

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) FREDERICK R
Last name ASHER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1903
Age 48
Death quarter 1
Death year 1951
District Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 3C
Page 429

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 12:16

?? - Age 8 would fit a Dec 1902 birth and the Q1 birth reg, with mmn Sampson - here possibly lodging with Sampson relatives

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Camden Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Sampson Head Married Male Labourer Plumbers 50 1861 Nottingham
Elizabeth Sampson Wife Married Female Washerwoman 56 1855 Ticknett Melbourne
William Sampson Son - Male Errand Lad 16 1895 Nottingham
Fred Asher Lodger - Male - 8 1903 Nottingham

Married 30 years. 3 children born 2 have died

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 12:45

Following the Sampson family that he's with in 1911 -

11, Camden Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Sampson Head Married Male 46 1855 Labourer Corporation Nottinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Sampson Wife Married Female 45 1856 Lace Hand Clipper And Scolloper Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England
William Sampson Son Single Male 6 1895 School Nottinghamshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 12:50

?? Which doesn't lead directly to this marriage, but could still be related

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) ALFRED
Last name ASHER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1902
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ ALFRED ASHER married one of these people
Mary Sampson, Lydia Hannah Wright
District Nottingham
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 599

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 12:56

?? Possibly Alfred and Mary living separately in 1911.

Arthur has mistakenly completed married 10 years.

She says married 9 years, 4 children born 2 living 2 have died.

Elise Newton Asher is recorded on GRO site with mmn Sampson

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
50 Schooner St Radford Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Harriet Keetley Mother Widow Female Mender 54 1857 Nottingham
Fredrick Whitworth Brother In Law Married Male Wheelwright 26 1885 Nottingham
Edith Whitworth Sister Married Female Mender 22 1889 Nottingham
Lancelot Albert Keetley Brother Single Male Pastor 18 1893 Nottingham
Arthur Mansley Pass Boarder Single Male Dairyman 33 1878 Nottingham
Alfred Asher Boarder Married Male Labourer 30 1881 Nottingham
Albert Waldram Visitor - Male - 3 1908 Nottingham

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
18 Terrace St Hyson Green Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Newton Head Married Male Collier At Face 40 1871 Notts Carlton
Mary Asher Housekeper Married Female Winder 28 1883 Nottingham
Elsie Newton Asher Daughter - Female - 2 1909 -

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Jun 2017 13:05

Not seeing the 4th birth at present

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

ASHER, ELSIE MEWTON SAMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 439

ASHER, CLARA SAMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 425

ASHER, FREDERICK RUSSELL SAMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 393

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The death will be in months not years - the GRO site can't distinguish
Name: Age at Death (in years):
ASHER, CLARA 14 Order
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 174

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 28 Jun 2017 15:09

Wow Grey Ghost
Thankyou so much for all your effort
I can see why I couldn't find Fredeerick R Asher born 1903

So these are all thier children of Alfred Ashher born 1881 Nottingham
Mary Sampson born 1883 Nottingham
Asher Newton Elsie 1909
Asher Clara 1905 --1906
Frederick R. 1903 -- 1951
I wonder why Frederick was living with relatives also his Mother and his Father

Have you any idea who Violet Harris born 1902 Nottingham Mother surname
It states Clara Harris father Joseph
This is all part of the Sidney Harvey 1894
Thankyou once agian
Olive