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Hi im hoping someone can help me please ive got an emma lawley born1835 in kingswinford worcestershire and a sarah lawley born 1855 brierly hill worcestershire both living together in the 1861 census but emma married in 1857 to an edward gibbons i cant find anything for sarah after that was sarah emmas daughter or sister ?????

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1202367?d=asc

(reference looks to have been on above)

Chris :)

(as below)

BatMansDaughter Report 3 Feb 2010 15:54

This is the same family as Peter was with in 1881;

1861 England Census
about Emma Gibbons
Name: Emma Gibbons
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingswinford, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Gibbons 26
Emma Gibbons 26
Sarah Lawley 6


I'm pretty sure the description for Sarah Lawley is daughter of wife, here's their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>.Gibbons Edward Dudley 6c 210
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lawley Emma Dudley 6c 210
Rowley Wm Dudley 6c 210
Salter Emma Dudley 6c 210


Edits (in case any help below link)

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/

hi chris thanks for reply ive not found anything that says sarah was emmas daughter ??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Burcroft, Darlaston, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Dibben Head Married Male 26 1835 Wood Turner Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
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Emma Dibben Wife Married Female 26 1835 - Kingswinford, Worcestershire, England
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Sarah Dibben Daughter In Law Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, England


image says gibbons

and sarah lawley

I'm pretty sure that the 61 census on Ancestry lists Sarah Lawley as daughter-in-law, meaning stepdaughter of Edward Gibbons therefore daughter of Emma.

Michelle the census info does say she is the wife's daughter and on one says daughter in law which the way a stepdaughter was described at that time

If you are still unsure then her birth was registered

Births Jun 1855
LAWLEY Sarah Dudley 6c 141

Dudley reg district covers Brierley hill
DUDLEY REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Staffordshire (1837-1912), Worcestershire (1913-66), Staffordshire (1966-74), West Midlands (from 1974).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Brierley Hill, Dudley, Rowley Regis, Sedgley, Tipton, Wordsley.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51), 6c (1852-1912), 6b (1913-35), 6c (1935-46), 9D (1946-66), 9B (1966-74), 33 (1974-92).
Registers currently held at : Dudley and Sandwell.

Gro record ????

LAWLEY, SARAH PARRY Order
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 141


Edit seems to be a diffrent Brierley Hill

This more likely
LAWLEY, SARAH JANE - Order
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 223

But really I wouldn't spend money on a cert the census info is more than sufficient that sarah is Emma daughter

thankyou both for that i could,nt find it myself do any of you know what happened to sarah after 1861 i can,t work that one out either :-(

thanks shirley :-)

On the GRO list there is a birth registered in Stourbridge in the June quarter of 1854 for a Sarah Ann Lawley with no mother's maiden name. I believe this may indicate an illegitimate birth. Excuse my poor English geography but would Brierley Hill be in the Stourbridge registration district?

EDIT

Also a Sarah Jane Lawley in March quarter 1854 Stourbridge with no mmn.

The birth in 1855 in Dudley gives mmn of Parry.


EDIT

Sorry Shirley, I see you were editing your post while I was typing the above.

i dont even know where stourbridge is rootgatherer :-) :-)

Right, just googled it

Brierley Hill is a small town and electoral ward of the Dudley Metropolitan Borough, in the West Midlands of England, and is situated approximately 2.5 miles south of central Dudley and 2 miles north of Stourbridge.


So one of those two Stourbridge births could be your Sarah. If you knew if she had a middle name of Ann or Jane it would help.

thanks for that shirley again :-) :-)

On freebmd if you click on the reg district it will take you to the relevant district on the registration districts website

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/stourbridge.html

All i know is that the sarah registered on the 1861 census is hopefully my husbands g g grandfathers mother who was born in 1869 peter edwin lawley who was living with emma gibbons nee lawley in 1881 ive lost anyone yet :-D

????

FreeReg Marriage entry Link for reporting error in transcription Field Value
County Worcestershire
Place (link for place information) Dudley
Church name St Andrew
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number
Marriage date 05 Jun 1876
Groom forename Isaac
Groom surname BAGNALL
Groom age Minor
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode
Groom parish Netherton
Groom occupation Puddler
Bride forename Sarah Jane
Bride surname LAWLEY
Bride age Full age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode
Bride parish Netherton
Bride occupation
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname BAGNALL
Groom father occupation Puddler
Bride father forename ?
Bride father surname ?
Bride father occupation ?
Witness Edward TRUMAN
Witness Emma EDGE
Register note Bride is illegitimate

Births Mar. 1854
Lawley Sarah Stourbridge 6c 206 mmn Fellows
Lawley Sarah Jane Stourbridge 6c 223

Births Jun 1854
Lawley Sarah Ann Stourbridge 6c 201

thanks for that information everyone does anyone know if peter edwin lawley born 1869 was illegitimate?? please

Looks like it. No mmn on GRO index


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LAWLEY, PETER EDWIN - Order
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 569

If Sarah was born in 1854, she was very young when Peter was born.