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Major James Langton IS the man who died 23 Jul 1821 in Limerick

His Mlitary details match up with the man who married Miss Marshall in 1797
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/4807458
Dont know when Miss Marshall died but...
Major Langton and "Anne" would have married around 1816-1819 ?

I do know that Richard from the 1st marriage was born circa 1814 and was a Ward of The Chancery from early childhood.
(He was orphaned in 1821 by the death of his father)


I take it back re William's birth...
If the birth date on William's death is correct, he was born just before his father died in 1821
Anna Langton relict of James Langton of Bruree remarried Dr Raymond of Kilrush in Sep 1823

I am now certain that this is William's mother, 2nd wife of Major James Langton

Of course, William also had a daughter named Anna.


Therefore 1797 marriage of the Major with Miss Marshall is the 1st marriage.

His 2nd marriage to "Anna" would be have been around 1816-1819 ?

William and Adelaide's parents were Major James and Anna

I have also found that James Langton son of the Major with Miss Marshall married Dorcas Harte on Tuesday 2 Aug 1823 at Croom.
Is it coincidence that his stepmother re married just a few weeks later?
He could not be older than 26yrs of age at this time.
As the eldest son, he would have inherited his father's estate


All the Langton marriages that were located for the daughters of James Langton ESQ of Bruree were children of James and Dorcas
As I suspected, the Lost Langton Website has confused father ( Major James) with son James Langton Esq

Wooo...

Remember that William's daughter Henrietta married in Dublin in 1864.?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48077814


Look at the witnesses.
*Anne Raymond* was the witness for the bride.
Possibly her grandmother or perhaps an aunt

Hi, Just tuned in. Want to run this through you. This William Langton that went to America after his son James was born approx 1850 , do you think it's the same William of the Langtons of Bruree ? Having found a William christened on 27th April 1821 in Limerick with Parents James and ELLEN Langton and on the death of William Langton in America, it gave his BIRTH as 19th April 1821 which would be most probably correct, christened a few days after birth. You have mentioned so many wife names but Ellen is not one of them. William on a census states he was a farmer so he most probably had money to set up a farm, plus his son James b 1850 Ireland owned The Langton Lime and Cement company, so obviously he had money, he was the father of Inez Langton, grandmother of my friend in Holland.

Do you think that Henrietta Amelia Langton b. 29 th August 1845 was the daughter of William and Charlotte Langton who emigrated to America. If she was then for some reason left behind in Ireland at the age of 5 yrs old possibly with an Aunt name of Ann Raymond

Just re, read all your notes and Anna Raymond looks like the grandmother of Henrietta not Aunt, that's if Henrietta is the daughter of William Langton in America. Could the Ellen mother of this William really be Anna,who knows especially having a daughter Anna

I know we go too fast but lets recap...

I'm not certain if that 1821 is this William's baptism record or not.
If it is, his mother's name has definitely been mis-transcribed.
His mother was called Anne or Anna

The baptism record identified certainly isn't a catholic one
I checked the baptism date on St Michaels RC records just to be sure,
It's not there which means that the baptism was elsewhere in St Michaels Parish The Parish Record isn't online anywhere to check the exact entry and wording


William Langton was born circa 1821.
He was a son, born to the 2nd marriage of Major James Langton and Anne?

Major Langton and his parents before, were LANDED GENTRY and the owners of the Bruree Estate, Limerick

Williams father (the Major) was 1st married in 1797 to a Miss Marshall and had 3 children named James, Isabella and Richard
Hs first wife died sometime around 1815 ish.

William's father then remarried "Anne" around 1816-18
William and his sister Adelaide came from this marrige


William's father ( The Major) died in Sep 1821
His mother remarried Dr Raymond in Sep1823

William married Charlotte Amelia Paisley in 1844 and later moved to US where his info was picked up.

James Langton Esq of Bruree mentioned on his daughter's marriages that are found in my keepsake turns out to be was William's eldest, half brother.
Other researchers clearly never located the 1821 death and assumed he was Major James Langton..
Every Langton marriage found so far, including William's own involved other wealthy or Landed Gentry families.

Wililam's own wife, Charlotte Amelia Paisley was no exception

No doubt about it... Henrietta Langton was thee daughter od William and Charlotte.

I dont think she was left behind in Ireland.
The more likely scenario is that she emigrated with them as a young child but returned as a young adult.
We may never know the real answer to that one.

Gentryfolk are hard to follow at the best of times!

The witness to Henrietta's marriage was someone named Anne Raymond.

This Anne may or not be Henriett'a grandmother, but remember her grandmother would most likely still be a young woman when she remarried DR Raymond in 1823.
( Anne Langton was the Major's 2nd wife. 2nd wives were often much younger than the 1st!)

It's possible that witness Anne Raymond was a child from Anne's 1823 marriage.

Was the witness to Henrietta's 1864 marriage, William's own mother or potentially his younger half sister?
Could be another relative altogether

Unless a record is found on passage to America for William and Charlotte Langton with their children it is unsure if Henrietta was with them, she certainly wasn't with them on the 1860 census in Milwaukee Wisconsin, By that time if born in 1845 she would have been 15 in 1860, married in 1864 and I see stated as being a minor. Could there be any passages for her anywhere? .Anne Raymond could possibly be the daughter of Dr Raymond. Gosh this all so intriguing

Eringobragh,
Re Adelaide Langton/ Crosbie McDonnell/ Enright

I need your thoughts on this.....

Firstly
On the Commission Report of 1851 relating to the sanity of Richard Langton or Marshall, it states he was a man of "about 36yrs of age"
Based on this, I guessed Richard was born circa 1815
He could have been a bit older or even a bit younger

His cousin, Adam Newman, also gave evidence and explained that Richard was the son from Major Langton's first marriage and that William and Adelaide were children by issue of Major Langton's 2nd marriage.
Also that Richard had been a Ward Of The Chancery from an early age.
( we know that he was orphaned by Major Langton's death at 1821)

From this, I estimated that Richard's mother ( Miss Marshall) died soon after his birth and his father was remarried to "Anne" not long after .

Secondly
I know that you located the info on Adelaide Langton
Married 1st to Francis Crosbie (McDonnell) and 2nd to George Enright

Adelaide died at: 6 Prince Of Wales Terrace, Dublin on 31 Jan 1910
Her age is given as 89yrs which suggests a birth of circa 1820.
The informant was her grand daughter Mary McDonnell of the same address

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48102149
Everything adds up so far, except......

I located Adelaide's 1st marriage
She married Francis Crosbie in,,,,, 1833 !!
Either a child bride or older than 89yrs when she died??
What are your thoughts?

The Dublin Observer 9 Mar 1833 http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48101845


We are possibly done with the Langton line now as we know who William's parents and full and half siblings were.
The only marriage that we didn't locate was for his older half sister named Isabella.
I don't think I said.... Richard Langton never married

James married Dorcas Harte
Isabella. No info found
Richard never married
William married Charlotte Amelia Paisley
Adelaide married Francis Crosbie (McDonnell) and George Enright

William and Adelaide's mother was called Anne and married Dr Raymond in 1823

William's daughter named Anna had a middle name starting with "L"
If we could follow her on US Data, we could possibly find that middle name.
It's a long shot but, it "could" be the maiden name of William's mother

My head is spinning...!!!

GlasgowLass....will get back to you post above but in the meantime the following is what I found re Henrietta Amelia Langton Hall...
A closer look at the MC to John Hall shows they were married by Registrar 24 Dec.1863 ....so they had a Civil and Church wedding afterwards.

On the 1901 Census for Dublin John Hall is aged 74 !! b Cork and a Spirit Distiller...
There are no children living with them Henrietta gives her place of birth as Kerry she is 55
address Lower Sherrard St. Rotunda Dublin

Found these Children....

William Langton b.1866
Henrietta Johanna 67..died Forest Park Chicago 1927..unmarried
Anna 68
John Richard Raymond 72
Inez Mabel 73
Delancy Philpot 76 married Mary O'Brien 1908 Chicago.
Theophylus Mario Langton 78

Most of them ended up in Cook County Chicago

Henrietta A Hall died in Chicago (Forest Home) 1913 aged 65 informant son Delancy P Hall

Henrietta and Daughter Henrietta sailed from Derry Sept 19 1909 SS Columbia going to son DPH Chicago Ill..

Adelaide Enright at 1901:http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blackrock/Carysfort_Avenue/1312847/

Entered as age 81.
Estimated Year of birth 1819 France

Died 1910 aged age 89rs.

She must have been a child bride. Married around the age of 14yrs ?

This latest family in Chicago. I see in 1901 Henrietta stayed in Dublin. Presume all the childrens names found are from the family members from the children who went out with William and Charlotte

John...Hen.and daughter Hen went to Chicago 1909...see my above post....and the children are from the marriage of Wm and Charlotte's daughter Henrietta.

Births:

Honoria Charlotte Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1864
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amilia Langton

William Langton Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Aug 1866
Birth Place: Clontarf and Raheny, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Henrietta Johanna Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Sep 1867
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton


Inez Mabel Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1873
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Name: Anna Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1868
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton


Note name:
**John Richard Raymond Hall **
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1872
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

De Lancy Philpott Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 May 1876
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Langton

Theophilus Mario Langton Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 May 1878
Birth Place: Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father: John Hall
Mother: Henrietta Amelia Hall Langton

Henrietta's death:

Henrietta A Hall
[Henrietta A Langton]
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1845
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 28 Jun 1913
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Forest Home
Death Age: 67
Occupation: Housewife
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Female
***Residence: Salt Lake City, Utah***
Father Name: Wm Langton
Father Birth Place: Ireland
Mother Birth Place: Ireland

Hanoria Charlotte Hall:
Married: William Henry Buller on 1 Oct 1883 in Dublin
( under 21 and classed as minor)

/civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10950/8001839.pdf

And....
I found the marriage announcement
Includes the words...
Grand daughter of the late Major Langton and the late JAMES W RAYMOND, of Dromin House, KERRY
( parish of Listowel)


Dublin Daily Express 02 October 1883
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48110868

Loads of Raymond deaths and marriages at Dromin House and too many called James!
He may have been married before or his father was also named James.

Agnes, daughter of James Raymond of Dromin House married in 1832.

Someone named James Raymond of Dromin house had a wife named Leticia
Another daughter married in 1842 and this James was already deceased.
Widow, Leticia died in 1843

I would guess that these are James William Raymond's parents and siblings rather that the man himself ?

Yes..Well don't go down that road because its extremely complicated to work out ..The Crosbies (Co Kerry) ...(Crosbie/ McDonnell) married into the Raymonds....

GlasgowLass can you see if you can find James Langton Crosbie McDonnell on any UK Census...I cannot.
All the children were Baptised Liverpool and he died in Liscard Cheshire 1923 aged 80yrs .
He married a Sarah Ann who died 1913 who I think was nee Finlay..

I need to go out now but, I will have a look for the Crosbie McDonnells when I get back, Eringobragh.

In the meantime, we now know how William Langton got to be in Co Kerry before he married Charlotte and explains how sister Adelaide came to be married at Lisselton Church, Co Kerry in 1833
They moved there with their mother after her 1823 marriage


I am almost certain that William Langton's mother was fairly young and had at least one child with James W Raymond.


Perhaps?
James Raymond of Dromin
He married Kate/ Catherine Mason of Chute Hall in Kerry on 27 Jan 1857.
( Gentry?)
His father is named as James, Occ: Gentleman
Her father was: Richard. Occ: Gentleman

Son named James William Raymond was born to this couple at Dromin House on 14 Jun 1858

Glasgowlass and Erin, my friend in Holland is absolutally blown away with what you have found about her fathers family, she didn't even know her father let alone his family. Thank you so much for all your hard work in finding it out. I was able to do snippets but then I only pay into Ancestry and beginning to think I have wasted a lot of money with them. It s OK in doing my UK look ups though
Please dare I ask if it is possible to look up the parents of Robert D Curran who married Inez Paisley Langton. Where they came from. Robert and Inez. married 1920 Long Beach CA

Meant to say I asked my friend where she was born and it was in Chicago Heights

The parents of Robert D Curran were given as:
Andrew B Curran and M.E Pettijohn

Robert stated that he was a 36yr old Widower, born in NY and his Occupation was an Artist, living in Long Beach, California.
He stated that both his parents were also born in NY.

I have no idea what sort of Artist he may have been but ,I can't find anyone matching his profile, not before or after his marriage to Inez Paisley Langton ?


So much of the info found actually came from Ancestry.
Irish records that should be available via a UK sub.

Some Irish records can also be located on free site: www.irishgenealogy.ie

The other thing that is quite frustrating relates to the birth of Major Langtons youngest son from his 1st marriage.

Richard was born circa 1815.
We know that Major Langton was then widowed and remarried.
We also know that daughter Adelaide from his 2nd marriage was born circa 1820 but states she was born in France.
As I can't find anything relating to any of these events, I wonder if Major Langton married his 2nd wife in France?

Perhaps if we could determine exactly where The South Cork Militia were based between 1815 and 1820, it would clarify things.
As a Major, his wife would be allowed to accompany her husband

Eringobragh...
Copied and pasted:
"Yes..Well don't go down that road because its extremely complicated to work out ..The Crosbies (Co Kerry) ...(Crosbie/ McDonnell) married into the Raymonds...."

Guess what?
The Chute and Mason families in Co Kerry ( Chute Hall) also intermarried with the Crosbies

I'm not going down that route either. LOL