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I doubt if anyone related to me would have done that! Thanks

Clive, I can't tell you who would named in the Will- although if they'd had children I'd hope they'd be mentioned and not have left everything to the dogs home or local church!

Thanks Chris - got it now!

Austin, that's really helpful. If I pay for the will, is it likely to name the beneficiaries? I'm surprised that you can do that for such a recent will!

Death for Dorothea:

First name(s) DOROTHEA MARY
Last name DOYLE
Gender Female
Birth day 9 July 1913
Death quarter 3
Death year 2001
District West Lancashire
District number 5901A
Register number 17A
Entry number 243
Date of registration mm/yy 0901
County Lancashire

Probate:
DOYLE DOROTHEA MARY
Date of Probate: 21 December 2001
Probate Number: 843040
Date of Death: 01 September 2001
Document Type: Grant and will
Registry: Liverpool
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Death for John:
First name(s) JOHN
Last name DOYLE
Gender Male
Birth day 5 July 1906
Death quarter 2
Death year 1972
District Ormskirk
County Lancashire
Volume 10F Page 387

Probate:
Doyle John of 54 Grimshaw Lane Ormskirk Lancs died 8 May 1972 Probate Bristol 4 August.

(54 Grimshaw Lane was also the last address for Dorothea.)

You can search for and order Wills (£10) here:

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Several possible children for Dorothea and John on Freebmd.

Although no children are showing with them in 1939 there is a likely daughter born in 1938.

Clive- are you looking at the correct casualty card for Raymond? It say the accident occurred 'Home' not France-

The next is card for Richard Gerald Ross Allen says casualty occurred France.

I think the Uncle in Canada is for Samuel Hall Allen.

The contact details for Raymond say James Allen, Glenroy, Sunningdale Rd.
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Thanks All! More fantastic results

In the obituaries above it states that
ALLEN - November 18, killed in aeroplane accident, at Shornecliffe, in his 21st year. Lieut. RAYMOND FRANCIS ALLEN (l/6th Royal Warwickshire Regiment),
However, on the documents at the bottom of the link for the RAF Museum that Chis posted it says he died in France. Presumably he was officially declare dead at Shornecliffe

Also, on the last of those documents it seems to mention an Uncle in Canada. Can anyone read the name?

I'm struggling with Dorothea. I can see a Dorothea Mary Doyle death in Lancashire in 2001 but no record of children

Austin .................

I believe that the information for CWGC was not compiled until after WW1, so it may well have been after James died, hence "the late ...."

I'm pretty certain this is daughter Dorothea's marriage in Middlesex:

Marriage:
Name: Dorothea M Allen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1937
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: John Doyle
Volume Number: 1a Page Number: 513
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Dorothea and Husband in 1939- back to Cheshire:

Household 30 Beaufort Drive , Wallasey C.B., Cheshire, England

Closed Record
Dorothea Mary Doyle 09 Jul 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
John Doyle 07 Jul 1906 Male Clerk (Chief) Food Improver) Married

Just adding to the CWGC info on R F Allen posted above by Chris:

Liverpool Daily Post - Friday 22 November 1918

ROLL OF HONOUR
ALLEN- November 18, killed in aeroplane accident at Shorncliff, in his 21st year, Lieut. Raymond Francis Allen (1/6th Royal Warwickshire Regiment. Dearly loved son of James A and Belina Allen, Glenroy, Sunningdale Road, New Brighton. RIP
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CWGC states son of the late James Allen- however, James didn't die until 1923 (and the article above doesn't state 'late').

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)
ALLEN- James Aloysius of Glenroy, 6 Sunningdale Road, New Brighton, Cheshire died 17 August 1923 Probate London 16 October to Mary Ann Belina Allen widow

(must be orf' now, but one below)

Chris :)

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1897

ALLEN Bernard James 1 Wallasey Wirral WAL/35/64

Yep- and here's his baptism:

Cheshire Non-conformist & Roman Catholic Registers

First name(s) LEO VEOICENTIUS
Last name ALLEN
Gender Male
Birth year 1900
Birth date 29 Oct 1900
Baptism year 1900
Baptism date 10 Nov 1900
Chapel Wallasey, St Alban's Catholic Church
Father's first name Jacobi Aloyis
Father's last name Allen
Mother's first name Maria Anna Bellinoe
Mother's last name Colocott
God parents: Franciscus Georgeus Allen & Maria Elisabeth Allen
Abode: 20 Denton Drive
Place LISCARD
County Cheshire

Interestingly a note has been added at the top of the baptism to say he married Maria Dos Delores Niets in 1922

These are the children on the GRO Index: Note another child born after the 1911 census-

ALLEN, BERNARD JAMES COLOCOTT
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 571
(died 1897)

ALLEN, RAYMOND FRANCIS COLCOTT
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 605

ALLEN, LEO VINCENT COLOCOTT
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 554

ALLEN, AGNES VERA COLOCOTT
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 560

ALLEN, MADELEINE BELINA COLOCOTT
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 558

ALLEN, DOROTHEA MARY COLOCOTT
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 1105

(just found same)

Chris :)

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1921 to 1923

ALLEN Raymond Vincent Wallasey Wirral WAL/149/44

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Not seeing a birth for son Raymond in England- perhaps he was born Canada?

EDIT- here he is- middle initial V not B (transcribed incorrectly on 1939 register):

First name(s) RAYMOND V
Last name ALLEN
Birth year 1923
Birth quarter 1
Mother's last name Nieto
District Birkenhead
County Cheshire
Volume 8A Page 931

So they didn't remain in Canada very long if they were back by 1923

(yep, got you now, been sittin' here too long again, lol)

Chris :)

Clive, with these families you are following (also Blackwoods) always worth a check in 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') to see if any other Genes Members are sharing.

Chris- the wife is the same so I presume they came back.

Perhaps a honeymoon?

ah!, so not the 'Outgoing' Leo to Canada 1922, then?...

(good job you added AQ, was about to continue with things Canada later today!)

Chris :)

Edits (hold on, that address given on 'Outgoing' is same as CWGC one!)

Leo born 1900 (not 1901)

Birth:
ALLEN, LEO VINCENT (Mother's maiden name: COLOCOTT )
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 554

Death:
First name(s) LEO VINCENT
Last name ALLEN
Gender Male
Birth day 29
Birth month 10
Birth year 1900
Death quarter 2
Death year 1986
District Birkenhead
Register number 686
County Cheshire
Volume 37 Page 928

1939 register:

Allen Household 3 Leyburn Road , Wallasey C.B., Cheshire, England

Leo V Allen 29 Oct 1900 Male Hosiery Manufacture Travelling Salesma Married
Dolores Allen 12 Dec 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Raymond B Allen 02 Feb 1923 Male Seeking Work- Not Previously Employ Single

(EDIT: on image middle initial for Raymond is V)

Would be below...

Chris :)

ALLEN, RAYMOND FRANCIS
Rank: Second Lieutenant Date of Death: 18/11/1918 Age:20 Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force and 1st/6th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Grave Reference: 10. R.C. 65.Cemetery: WALLASEY (RAKE LANE) CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Belina Allen, of "Glenroy," Sunningdale Rd., Wallasey, and the late James A. Allen.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx


http://www.rafmuseumstoryvault.org.uk/ID/?7000263753

(items on google search, see above)


(with a Marriage for her 1932, below)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

12 Dovedale Road , Wallasey C.B., Cheshire,
Madeleine B Selman (Solomon) 23 Dec 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frank Selman (Solomon) 04 Jul 1904 Male Manager - Jute Sack & Bag Merchants Married
(one Son, possibly living)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(above to check things)


Marriages Dec 1935 (>99%)
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Allen Agnes V Voisey Birkenhead 8a 1293
Voisey Denis B Allen Birkenhead 8a 1293


1939 Register (Find My Past)

Dorner Cottage Birchdale Crescent , Runcorn R.D., Cheshire,
Agnes V Voirey 19 Mar 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Denis B Voirey 08 Feb 1902 Male Chartered Accountant Married


First name(s) AGNES VERA
Last name VOISEY
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 3
Birth year 1905
Death quarter 3
Death year 1998
District Warrington
District number 3461B
Register number B58C
Entry number 070
Date of registration mm/yy 0998
County Lancashire


Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
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ALLEN Leo V Nisto Birkenhead 8a 1218
NIETO Maria D D Allen Birkenhead 8a 1218


From Find My Past, below, so would be more to find...

Allen Leo Vincent 1901 — 1922 Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960 Montreal, Canada

(with Dolores Maria (age 17) Clerk as occ. for him, last UK address, same as one on CWGC for Brother above)


Edits

20 November 1918 - Liverpool Echo - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

ROLL OF HONOUR
ALLEN - November 18, killed in aeroplane accident, at Shornecliffe, in his 21st year. Lieut. RAYMOND FRANCIS ALLEN (l/6th Royal Warwickshire Regiment), dearly-loved son of James A. and Belina Allen, Glenroy, Sunningdale Road, New Brighton. R.I.P.

25 November 1918 - Liverpool Echo - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

Death
ALLEN - Requiem Mass lor late Lieutenant RAYMOND FRANCIS ALLEN tomorrow (Tuesday), St. Peter and Paul's New Brighton, 10 a.m. Interment afterwards, at Wallasey Cemetery, Rake-lane at 10.45 a.m.

Thanks - that's him I think!

Any record of wife or children?

Next on my never ending Colocott list are the children of Mary Ann Belina Colocott ( the sister of John, Arthur, James and Caroline). She married James A Allen in 1894 and had the following 4 children.

Raymond F Allen (1899 - 1918) Died in Kent and was in the army. Could he have been a war casualty?

Leo Vincent Allen (B 1901). I think he emigrated to Canada in 1922 but have no record of him since

Agnes Vera Allen (B1905). Possibly used Vera as her main name

Madeleine Belina Allen (B 1908)

Any information on where they ended up would be much appreciated