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Where do you go on line to find out more about either a stillbirth or died shortly after birth when the event happened to a british subject in india pre 1903. I know the baby was a boy called Vivien this is from an entry of death. No age is given and no entry of birth can be found.

Help much appreciated
linda

There are bmd's for British India Office deaths and British Nationals Armed Forces on Find My Past for starters.

Do you want to give any further details in the hopes there may be something on there. There are quite a number of Vivien's !!

If anything like UK, stillbirths are on a different register to live births and not public these days, not sure about back then.

I can't help with your enquiry but if there is a death record there should be a birth recorded too. A stillbirth wouldn't have either a birth or death record.

Even in England there would be no record of a stillbirth before 1927.

Kath. x

There is also this site - Families in British India Society. Looks as though you can do a general search but for more info will need to be a member.

http://www.fibis.org

and this which is free https://familysearch.org

Thank you very much for your help. The information about Viviens birth/ death was found on a scrap of paper on my mothers research. My mother died six years ago so I'm afraid I have very little to go on.

Did we look previously, something seems familiar?...

Chris :)

I was just thinking the same Chris but I couldn't find a previous thread and Linda only has two posts to her name so either she was registed previously under a different name or it was someone else making the enquiry ??

Dea x

(lol, I must have been looking for something 'Vivien' India, as have a 'Tick' as viewed before for a Vivien Camb, Death 1904 aged 2)

Chris :)

At that period in time in India you're more likely to find church baptism and burial records than civil BMD records, unless it's an Armed Forces record, so I suppose you might get a burial record only, for an extremely short-lived child that didn't get baptised.

If this is the child the entry says infant Daughter ! of Mrs Camb died of diphtheria


First name(s) Vivien
Last name Camb
Birth year 1902
Death date 02 Dec 1904
Death year 1904
Age 2Y 3M
Burial date 02 Dec 1904
Place Umballa
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-321
Folio -
Page 320
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office Deaths & Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

But the name looks more like Lamb on the entry record


Edit Could be this one

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription



First name(s) Vivienne
Last name Lamb
Birth year 1902
Birth date 06 Sep 1902
Baptism year 1902
Baptism date 28 Sep 1902
Place Kidderpore,St Stephen
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) Bertram Henry
Father's last name Lamb
Mother's first name(s) Vivian Constance
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-1-301
Folio 46
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

(yes, was just an example of things Vivien, it just seemed familiar!)

If linda can add anything else for us, maybe we can start again...

Chris :)

Sorry it's been a while. My Vivian is the child of Aileen Baldwin and Arthur Castledine. I have been a member before a few years ago but I don't think I knew about this child then. There are a few things that I find odd about this side of my family . From what i know Aileen Mignor Baldwin was a British Subject born to Henry Charles Baldwin and Louisa Mary/ MaryLouisa Honeybone. According to her wedding certificate Aileen was 17years old and Arthur (a gunner in the Royal Atrtillery) was full age. They returned to England in 1904 and the census revealed that she was in fact 14 when she married ( this I presume was a case of needed to get married and this baby must be the elusive Vivian). Does this help ?

your family in 1911 ?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
West Ripe Lydd, Lydd, Kent, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Castledine Head Married Male Artificer Royal Garrison Artillery 33 1878 Working Gravesend Kent
Aileen Castledine Wife Married Female - 22 1889 Calcutta India Resident
Eric Castledine Son - Male School 5 1906 Calcutta India Resident
Frank Castledine Son - Male - 3 1908 Dover Kent
Leonard Castledine Son - Male - 0 1911 Lydd Kent

Married 8 years 5 children born 2 have died

Marriage - certificate as you say says she is 17 years of age. He is of full age and a Mechanical Engineer

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Arthur
Last name Castledine
Marriage year 1903
Marriage date 25 Jul 1903
Spouse's first name Aileen
Spouse's last name Baldwin
Place Calcutta
Presidency -
Groom's father's first name Thomas
Groom's father's last name Castledine
Bride's father's first name Henry Charles
Bride's father's last name Baldwin
Catalogue description Bengal, Madras, Bombay and Burma returns of Registrar Marriages 1852-1911
Archive reference N-11-10a
Folio number 239
Entry number 12

Parents marriage -
British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Henry Charles
Last name Baldwin
Marriage year 1884
Marriage date 20 Jun 1884
Spouse's first name Louise Isabel Mary
Spouse's last name Honeybone
Place Calcutta
Presidency -
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 32
Groom's father's first name John Henry
Groom's father's last name Balwin
Bride's father's first name William
Bride's father's last name Honeybone
Catalogue description India and Pakistan, ecclesiastical returns
Archive reference N-11-6-209-312
Folio number 445
Entry number 15

Henry Charles was Commander of a River Steamer. Married in the Methodist Episcopal Church

Vivian (Laullos) Castledine
India Deaths and Burials
Name
Vivian (Laullos) Castledine
Gender
Male
Burial Date
19 Jul 1904
Burial Place
Calcutta, Bengal, India
Death Date
18 Jul 1904
Age
0
Birth Date
1904
Occupation
Child
Father's Name
Arthur Castledine
Mother's Name
Aeleen

Baptism
County Kent
Place Lydd
Church name All Saints
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 16 Sep 1910
Person forename Leonard William
Person sex M
Father forename Arthur
Father surname CASTLEDINE
Mother forename Aileen

(might relate to Arthur below)


Place Woolwich
Church name St Mary Magdalene
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 425
Marriage date 24 Dec 1892
Groom forename John Thomas
Groom surname CASTLEDINE
Groom age 26
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode R A Barracks
Groom occupation Gunner, Royal Artillery
Bride forename Louisa
Bride surname STANLEY
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 118 Powis Street
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname CASTLEDINE
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename William Samuel
Bride father surname STANLEY
Bride father occupation Hair Dresser
Witness George Edward WATSON
Witness Elizabeth BRIGHT

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1255415

Name: Errick Edward Castledine
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Dec 1905
Baptism/Christening Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 09 Nov 1905
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Arthur Castledine
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Aileen
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75039-5
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527530
Reference Number:

The death posted by Malyon above has the cause of baby's death to be Ague.


1. A febrile condition in which there are alternating periods of chills, fever, and sweating. Used chiefly in reference to the fevers associated with malaria.
2. A chill or fit of shivering.