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I have a copy of the wedding certificate with that information on it, can't find his birth or anything regarding his father William.

Kind Regards,

Possibly Alexander in 1851 & 1841??

Alexander Christie
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Alexander Christie
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1583
Folio: 100
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Doyle 80 - born Merionethshire, Wales
Alexander Christie 22



Alexander Christie
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Alexander Christie
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1067
Book: 3
Folio: 23
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Doyle 70
Elizabeth Christie 19 - born Brixton
Jonie Christie 13 - born Brixton - name looks like Joan in image.
Alexander Christie 11

For helpers' info:

Jane Adelaide Wheddon
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Jane Adelaide Wheddon
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Age: 25
Spouse: Alexander Christie
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Nov 1856
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Spouse Father: William Christie
Register Type: Parish Register

Just wanted to say a BIG THANK YOU to all who gave some input regarding the information I sought. I have made some great headway with the tree now and made contact with a great uncle which is brilliant.

The `Henry senior and Junior where very colourful gents with junior indeed living two lives and a total of 10 children between the two women.

His father Henry senior had three wives and a number of children lol

Now stuck at William Christie possibly born around 1795 and who was a Master Marriner he is on a wedding certificate as the father of Alexander Christie marrying Jane Adelaide Wheddon maiden name Summers. Alexander was a Fireman and lived at 1 Alfred Street, Stepney, London and Jane lived in the same street. Alexander was 26 when they married and think he was born either 1930 or 1929.

Lol yes it is extremely confusing and he and his father were certainly colourful characters, confusing that Henry put on the census he was born Glasgow.

Really appreciate all your help so far

Regards,

I know it's confusing Derek!

Most the information you need is already in the thread, it's just a little jumbled up.

If you need anything else or want something explaining (I suspect you might with that Christie lot!), just let us know.

I'm sure you could write a book - the stories between Henry A jnr and snr would make a great read :)

Many Many Thanks :-)

His mother was Elizabeth Ann Tunstall- she married Henry Alexander Christie in 1875.
Henry A jnr is with his mother, Elizabeth at 13, Rembrandt Road in 1901 (posted above).

Henry A senior left Elizabeth sometime before 1881 and lived with Ellen

AustinQ

Was his mother Ellen or Elizabeth?

Many Thanks,

Not born Glasgow!

This birth:

CHRISTIE, HENRY ALEXANDER (mother's maiden name: TURNSTALL)
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 275

His mother was Elizabeth Turnstall/ Tunstall- Henry Alexander was his father.

His father left Elizabeth sometime before the 1881 census and shacked up with Ellen.

That is great thank you AustinQ so finally may have found his Mother Ellen also, still finding it hard to locate his birth which according to a 1911 census with Florrie and their 3 children Henry junior states hw was born in Glasgow.

Kind Regards,

At right address with mother in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Rembrandt Road, Lee, Lewisham, London, England
Elizabeth A Christie Head Married Female 44 1857 Living On Own Means Camberwell, Surrey,
Henry A Christie Son Single Male 23 1878 Accountants Clerk London, England
Charles Christie Son Single Male 21 1880 Accountants Clerk London, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cicely Road, Camberwell, London, England

Nathaniel Swindon Head Married Male 70 1821 Brush Maker Newbury, Berkshire,
Mary A Swindon Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Middlesex, England
Nathaniel J Swindon Son Single Male 33 1858 Railway Clerk Middlesex,
Thomas C Swindon Son Single Male 32 1859 Solicitors Clerk Middlesex,
Elizabeth Christie Daughter Married Female 35 1856 - Middlesex, England
Henry Christie Grandson Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Middlesex, England
Jonah Christie Grandson Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Middlesex, England
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
94, Lynton Road, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London, England

Nathaniel Swindon Head Married Male 60 1821 Brushmaker Newbury, Berkshire,
Mary A Swindon Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Nathaniel J Swindon Son Single Male 22 1859 Clerk Lambeth, Surrey,
Thomas C Tunstall Swindon Son Single Male 21 1860 Clerk Camberwell, Surrey,
Elizabeth A Christy Daughter Married Female 24 1857 - Camberwell, Surrey,
Henry Christy Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Jonas C Christy Grand Son Single Male 1 1880 - Bermondsey, Surrey,

I don't think he's ever listed with his father- his father was living with Ellen by 1881:

Henry and Ellen 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
George the Fourth, 156, Pentonville Road, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England

James Benton Head Married Male 38 1843 Publican Southwark, Surrey,
Harriet Benton Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Mary Ann Benton Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Southwark, Surrey,
Eliza Benton Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Southwark, Surrey,
Louisa Benton Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Southwark, Surrey,
Alice Benton Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Southwark, Surrey, England
William Masters Servant Single Male 26 1855 Barman Hampshire, England
Henry Christie Brother In Law Married Male 23 1858 Potman East End, Middlesex,
Ellen Christie Sister In Law Married Female 23 1858 General Servant Southwark, Surrey,
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Henry & and Ellen 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
William Street, Islington, London, England

Henry A Christie Head Married Male 33 1858 Public House Manager Bermondsey, Surrey,
Ellen Christie Wife Married Female 33 1858 Public Managers Southwark, Surrey,
William Christie Son - Male 6 1885 - Southwark, Surrey, England

Henry Alexander Christie,

So I have the marriage certificate for Henry and Florrie who we're married in Greenwich, London. Florrie's father was Abraham Burke a commercial traveller and Henry's father was also Henry Alexander Christie a publican manager. They both lived at Rembrant Road it looks like in Lee. Can't seem to find Henry or his Mother or Henry senior.

Many Thanks,

I think that death for Francis Wheddon 1854 is the father to the one who married Jane A Summers..

Francis Wheddon 1800-1854 buried 1/9/1854 of Cherry Garden Street as on 1841 census.

Francis Wheddon born 15/4/1823 Waltamstow to
Francis Wheddon and Susannah Wheddon daughter of James and Mary Whiffen,
Susannah died and was buried 21/5/1845.

1851 18,Cherry Garden Street
Francis JOHNDDON (Wheddon) on original @ 1800 born Exeter.
Jane age 21
Robert
James 1839/40

Jane's husband Francis was a Captain and there is a record on Ancestry.co.uk 12/2/1856 of him receiving The Mates Certificate Liverpool, but I can't see what happened to him after that.His date of birth on that record was 15/4/1823

Maryb.

looks very interesting Maryb

So Jane Adelaide Summers born c1832 marries Francis Wheddon in 1848, they have a son Francis James in 1849 then Francis snr dies 1854

Jane then marries Alexander Christie in 1856 and has Henry Alexander Christie in 1857.

There is this birth reg:

CHRISTY, JANE ADELAIDE mother's maiden name SUMMERS
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in ROTHERHITHE Volume 01D Page 501


(this looks like the Jane Adelaide Christie who marries Arthur Lacey in 1874, sister of Henry Alexander Christie born 1857 but born before the parents married)


and this one:


CHRISTIE, ANN MARIA mother's maiden name SUMMERS
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 67


then PART OF THE 1861 census: (TAKEN FROM THE FAMILYSEARCH WEBSITE)


Jane A Christy
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Jane A Christy
County London, Surrey
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Bermondsey, London, Surrey, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St James
Registration District Bermondsey
Residence Note Parkers Buildings
Gender Female
Age 7
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Bermondsey, Surrey
Page Number 29
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 320 / 201
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household


Birthplace
Francis Christy Son M 11 Bermondsey, Surrey<<<<<<<<<<
Jane A Christy Daughter F 7 Bermondsey, Surrey
Henry A Christy Son M 3 ..., Middlesex
Ann M Christy Daughter F 1 Bermondsey, Surrey

<<<<<<<<<<born Francis Wheddon son from previous marriage).


The 1901 census you mention:


Jane Christie
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Jane Christie
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Bermondsey, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical Parish St James
Sub-District Bermondsey
Registration District St Olave Southwark
Residence Note Farncombe Street
Gender Female
Age 69
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1832
Birthplace Bermondsey, London
Schedule Type 107
Page Number 27
Household



Jane Christie Head F 69 Bermondsey, London
Harry Christie Son M 43 Bermondsey, London
Robert Lacey Grand Son M 21 Bermondsey, London<<<<<<<
John Litton Boarder M 68 Bishopsgate, London

<<<<<<<<<<<<<Birth reg:

LACEY, ROBERT JAMES mother's maiden name CHRISTIE
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 274

Looks to be the son of Arthur and Jane Adelaide Lacey (nee Christie)

Is this proof of father Henry Alexander Christie 1857 telling lies.


Henry Alexander Christie married Elizabeth Ann Tunstall 6/12/1875 witness Frances James Wheddon and Jane lacey nee Christie!!

Jane Adelaide Christie married Arthur lacey 4/11/1874 witness Elizabeth TUNSTALL.

Frances James Wheddon baptised Bermondsey 27/5/1849 by Jane Adelaide nee Summers and Frances James Wheddon 1823-1854

Jane Adelaide Wheddon married Alexander William Christie
they had Henry Alexander Christie

1901 Jane Christie with son Harry/Henry a widow 39, Francombe Street

2/3/1901 Henry Alexander Christie of 39,Francombe Street a widow married Matilda Elizabeth Emmett.

Henry Alexander Christie died 1924?

Maryb.

Just in case you find that Elizabeth Christie (nee Tunstall) is your ancestor:

Birth reg:

TUNSTALL, ELIZABETH ANN mother's maiden name PHILLIPS
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 448

her brother

TUNSTALL, THOMAS CHARLES mother's maiden name PHILLIPS
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 192


Marriage for parents:

Dec Q 1853
St George Sk 1d 187
John Pryce Tunstall
Mary Ann Phillips


the family in 1861:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-3H7G


Probate for John:

Tunstall John Pryce Effects under £100
19th September 1861
Letters of Administration (with will annexed) of the personnel estate and effects of John Pryce Tunstall formerly of 3 Crescent -place Bridge-street Blackfriars in the City of London but late of 12 Princes-street Walworth-road in the County of Surrey Commercial Traveller deceased who died 3rd June 1861 at Princes-street aforesaid were granted at the Principal Registry under the usual limitations to Mary Ann Tunstall of 12 Princes-street aforesaid Widow the Mother and Guardian of Elizabeth Ann Tunstall Spinster the Daughter and Thomas Charles Tunstall the Son (respectively Infants) The Residuary Legatees named in the said Will on attaining the Age of Twenty-one Years she having been first sworn.


Then Mary Ann Tunstall married again in 1868

Dec Q 1868
Camberwell 1d 863
Mary Ann Tunstall
Nathaniel Swinden

1891 census copied from previous post from Shirley-Im getting the hang of it at 14:11 on 28th Jan

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cicely Road, Camberwell, London, England

Nathaniel Swindon Head Married Male 70 1821 Brush Maker Newbury, Berkshire, England Transcription
Mary A Swindon Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Nathaniel J Swindon Son Single Male 33 1858 Railway Clerk Middlesex, England Transcription
Thomas C Swindon Son Single Male 32 1859 Solicitors Clerk Middlesex, England Transcription
Elizabeth Christie Daughter Married Female 35 1856 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Henry Christie Grandson Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Middlesex, England Transcription
Jonah Christie Grandson Single Male 11. 1880. Scholar. Middlesex



AND

Birth reg for Jonas Christie

CHRISTYE, JONAS CHARLES Mother's Maiden Name TUNSTALL
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 273

Here she is:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45 Sutton St Southend on Sea, Prittlewell, Essex, England

Charles Marshall Head Married Male Lavatory Attendant 58 1853 St Giles in the Field London
Elizabeth Marshall Wife Married Female - 60 1851 Limehouse London
Nellie Yates Granddaughter Married Female - 13 1898 Kingsland London
Rosie Yates Granddaughter - Female - 8 1903 Southend Essex
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Rosie was also Neliie/ Ellen's daughter:

YATES, ROSINA MAY mmn: MARSHALL
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in ROCHFORD Volume 04A Page 698

Can you see what happened to her daughter Ellen?

YATES, ELLEN ELIZABETH mmn: MARSHALL
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 121

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Harman Street, Shoreditch, London, England
Albert E Yates Head Married Male 26 1875 Musician (Co?t) Islington, Middlesex, England
Ellen E Yates Wife Married Female 24 1877 Collar Button Hole Mach? Islington, Middlesex, England
Ellen E Yates Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England