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Thanks AustinQ

I will send for that marriage cert as it is looking good based on that passenger list you found. Thanks for that.

safc Yes that is my Kate on the 1911. She was single when she married John Gray. Although I will have to find her marriage cert just to make sure.

Thanks again for all your help.

Jane

Just checking you haven't missed the posted passenger list above

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if this is kate watson she is not married when she had her son


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Kate
Last name Watson
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Occupation Domestic Servant
Age 21
Birth year 1890
Birth place Yorkshire Hull
Address Harton South Shields
Parish Harton
County Durham
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district South Shields
Registration district number 556
Enumeration district 86
District number -
Sub district South Shields
Sub district number 1
Census reference RG14PN30345 RD556 SD1 ED86 SN9999
Piece number 30345
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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Thanks greyghost

Mary ethal had left home by 1911 census. Not sue whether she had married or died.

Jane

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Denis Gray
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1927
Age: 30
Occupation: Metallurgist
Married
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 4 Nov 1957
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
UK Address: 10 Weekes Close, Llanrumney, Cardiff
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 7602/01
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At least two children born in Cardiff to the Gray/ Nobbs marriage- so it looks to be the correct marriage

1891 census with John William and Mary E

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Screeds, Ashby, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Gray Head Married Male 32 1859 Furnace Labourer Rawcliffe, Yorkshire, England
Alice Maria Gray Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Amcotts, Lincolnshire, England
John William Gray Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Newland, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Elwitt Gray Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Newland, Lincolnshire, England
Hannah Jane Gray Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
Mary E Gray Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
Charles T D Insull Visitor - Male 3 1888 - Frodingham, Lincolnshire, England

Deliberately didn't name as 2 of the 3 could still be living. There also appears to be 3 born later after the 1939 register. They are her children with Alfred.

greyhost

I think these are Mary alice's children. If she had a child before her marriage to Alfred Overton I do not know about it, but you could be right.

Overton Glanford B. 7a 986 1929
overton Gland brigg Sept 1931
Overton gland brigg 1933

All the best

Jane

Just to definitely rule out the Denis born in Norwich- he's on the 1939 with his parents:

Gray Household (6 People) 39 Buxton Road , Norwich C.B., Norfolk, England

Harry Gray 17 Feb 1891 Male Ganger Norwich Corporation Married
Eliza E Gray 04 Mar 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Jessie L Andrews (Blanch) 11 Jul 1918 Female Seeking Work Boot Machinist Single
Harry H Gray 18 Jan 1921 Male Boot Repairer Master Single
Stanley F Gray 30 Aug 1923 Male Boot Trade Bench Hand Making Re? Single
Dennis Gray 18 Mar 1927 Male At School Single

I was thinking of a child of Daughter - Mary Alice on 1939 register having married 1928

Overton Household (2 People)
9 Redbourn Close , Scunthorpe M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Mary Alice Overton 09 Aug 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 178 2
Alfred William Overton 30 Oct 1907 Male Blacksmith Striker Heavy Worker Married 178 1
Ref: RG101/6449H/018/9 Letter Code: TMOE

2 closed records - children born 1929 and 1933 ( another child born 1931 died 1933). Further 3 children

Hi AustinQ

No unfortunately I don't have a death for Denis.

Jane

Do you have a death for him?

The only other person I can't find anything about is Mary Ethal gray b14/8/1890 in Scunthorpe. She was Johns Sister. Maybe Denis was her child.

Jane

greyghost

Yes I suppose he could be a grandson. The most likely candidate is his son Stanley Gray b1917 died 1933. I do not have anything on him at all.
although saying that he would have been 10yrs old when denis was born.
Thanks

Jane

Thank you very much for that 1911 census and death information. I will add it to my records

John William Gray married:

Sarah Nile 13/03/1906
Mary Carrot sept 1916 and
Kate Watson June 1924. Kate died 1948

All the best

jane

John was married in 1906 to a Sarah Niles - Conisbrough, Lincs. She died 1915 Glandford Brigg probably, which would allow for the second marriage 1916 to Mary Proctor as already posted.

(1911 says married 5 years 2 children born). A further child James born 1912 Glandford Brigg

Could Denis be a Grandson brought up by John?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stn Road Althorpe Doncaster, Keadby Althorpe, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John William Elwiss Gray Head Married Male Locomotive Engine Driver 30 1881 New Holland Lincoln
Sarah Gray Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Yorks Conisbro
Mary Alice Gray Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Lincoln Keadby
John William Gray Son - Male - 1 1910 Lincoln Keadby
Charles Edward Gray Brother - Male School 12 1899 Lincoln Frodingham

Thanks AustinQ

I had a look at that but that Denis would be too Old to be the one I'm after,

Thanks safc Yes that is Kate's son.

Shirley that marriage is looking good. Scunthorpe is the right area. Perhaps I should send for that and see what it says. Although I still think it will say John is his dad which won't help me. I am running out of ideas so I think I will have to send for it.

Thank you all very much for helping me

Jane

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stn Road Althorpe Doncaster, Keadby Althorpe, Yorkshire, England

John William Elwiss Gray Head Married Male Locomotive Engine Driver 30 1881 New Holland Lincoln
Sarah Gray Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Yorks Conisbro
Mary Alice Gray Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Lincoln Keadby
John William Gray Son - Male - 1 1910 Lincoln Keadby
Charles Edward Gray Brother - Male School 12 1899 Lincoln Frodingham
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First name(s) John William Elwiss
Last name Gray
Age 26
Birth year 1880
Marriage year 1906
Marriage date 13 Mar 1906
Marriage place Conisbrough
Residence Lincolonshire
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Gray
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Niles
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's residence Oxford Cottages, Park Road
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Niles
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Doncaster Archives
Archive reference P7-1-B3
Page 199
Record set Yorkshire Marriages

First name(s) JOHN W E
Last name GRAY
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1880
Age 63
Death quarter 4
Death year 1943
District SCUNTHORPE
County Lincolnshire
Volume 7A
Page 902
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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Is this his marriage , if so the cert should name his father
DENIS
Last name GRAY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1953
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DENIS GRAY married
BETTY M NOBBS

Scunthorpe reg district