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28 Dec 2016 19:47 |
Hi all
Is there anyone researching the Sands family from Middlesbrough, N Yorks. circa 1900.
I have come to an absolute dead end and hope someone has information that could be shared.
Many thanks
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alviegal
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28 Dec 2016 19:53 |
Is this the family John? Can we help you with anything? Have you already had a thread up about this family?
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 29, Oxford Street, South Bank, Normanby, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Sands Head Married Male 33 1868 General Labourer Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Transcription Jane Sands Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Lincolnshire, England Transcription Esther Sands Daughter - Female 11 1890 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription Thomas Sands Son - Male 10 1891 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription Jane Sands Daughter - Female 9 1892 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription Louise Sands Daughter - Female 5 1896 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription Annie L Sands Daughter - Female 2 1899 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription John R Sands Son - Male 1 1900 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription David Sands Son - Male 0 1901 - South Bank, Yorkshire, England Transcription John North Visitor Married Male 29 1872 Farm Labourer Haltham, Lincolnshire, England Transcription Ada North Visitor Married Female 22 1879 - England Transcription Ada North Visitor - Female 1 1900 - Tattershall Thorpe, Lincolnshire, England
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28 Dec 2016 20:23 |
Many thanks for the reply.
I am picking my research up after a break of some years and yes, I will have made enquiries on hear some long time back but hoped there was some new arrivals with information.
The Sands family you show are not the one I am after although I do know of them and travelled up and met with the son of David Sands, detailed above, to see if there was any connection with my family but was not the case.
My G. Grandfather William Sands was around in 1891 with his family, but after death of wife in 1895, children went into a home and he appears in 1901 census as single, a boarder. And there is my wall, I cannot trace therafter
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28 Dec 2016 20:35 |
Is this your great grandfather in 1901? :-
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 16, Olive Street, Middlesbro, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Golding Head Married Male 50 1851 Stone Waller Ireland Susan J Golding Wife Married Female 42 1859 - London, Middlesex, England Robert Hastings Step Son Single Male 15 1886 General Labourer Stanhope, Durham, England Martin P Hastings Step Son Single Male 12 1889 - Stokesley, Yorkshire, England Martha R Hastings Step Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Brotton, Yorkshire, England Thomas Mullergan Boarder Single Male 38 1863 General Labourer Ireland William Sands Boarder Single Male 42 1859 General Labourer Yorkshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Martin Hird Boarder Married Male 40 1861 Ironworks Forgeman Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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28 Dec 2016 20:45 |
If the William Sands in the above 1901 census is your great grandfather, might he have moved to Sheffield for work (with the other boarder at the time who was born in Sheffield) and if so could this be his death:-
First name(s) WILLIAM Last name SANDS Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1858 Age 81 Death quarter 2 Death year 1939 District SHEFFIELD County Yorkshire Volume 9C Page 435 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
This looks like the burial for the death above:-
First name(s) William Last name Sands Age 81 Birth year 1858 Burial year 1939 Burial date 18 Apr 1939 Burial place Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive reference - Page 547 Record set Yorkshire Burials
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28 Dec 2016 20:51 |
Is this your William in 1891 please?
Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Adam Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Learn more
Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Sands Head Married Male 32 1859 Furnace Fireman Manchester, Lancashire, England Maria Sands Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Byfield, Northamptonshire, England Walter Sands Son - Male 3 1888 - Byfield, Northamptonshire, England William Hy Sands Son - Male 1 1890 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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28 Dec 2016 20:52 |
Is this your g grandfather?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Adam Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Sands Head Married Male 32 1859 Furnace Fireman Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription Maria Sands Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Byfield, Northamptonshire, England Transcription Walter Sands Son - Male 3 1888 - Byfield, Northamptonshire, England Transcription William Hy Sands Son - Male 1 1890 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
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28 Dec 2016 20:55 |
And 1861?
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 5, Paris Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England Learn more
Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sands Head Married Male 26 1835 Brass & Iron Metal Planer Manchester, Lancashire, England Catherine Sands Wife - Female 28 1833 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Thomas Sands Son - Male 5 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Mary Sands Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Manchester, Lancashire, England William Sands Son - Male 2 1859 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Ann Sands Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
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28 Dec 2016 20:56 |
Kathleen
That could indeed have been a possibility I had overlooked. That is my g grandfather correctly identified and his family were all ironworkers from sheffield at one time, although he was born in (H)Openshaw, Manchester in 1859.
I would need to get a copy of the death certificate to see who made the notification I presume.
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John
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28 Dec 2016 20:59 |
Rootgatherer,
Yes, you have identified him and his parents.
I dontt have access to 1881 census at the moment to see where he was at that time
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28 Dec 2016 20:59 |
Could he have remarried?
First name(s) William Last name Sands Age 53 Birth year 1860 Marriage year 1913 Marriage date 11 May 1913 Marriage place Sheffield, St Thomas, Brightside Residence 179 Alfred Road Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Sands Spouse's first name(s) Christiana Spouse's last name Horry Spouse's age 46 Spouse's residence 179 Alfred Road Spouse's father's first name(s) John Henry Spouse's father's last name Hobson County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies Archive reference PR-46-2-9 Page 238 Record set Yorkshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain Transcription © DC Thomson Family History
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28 Dec 2016 21:02 |
Yes, the death certificate would help.
Of the two sons in the 1891 census, William Henry seems to die in age 4, and Walter seems to be in the 1911 census here:-
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 10 Orwell ST, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Charlotte Isabella Lawtar Head Widow Female Boarding House Keeper 59 1852 Liverpool Lancashire Margeret Florence Lawten Daughter Single Female - 21 1890 Middlesbro North Yorks Thomas Ward Boarder Married Male Ironworks Locomotive Driver 42 1869 Brotton North Yorks Walter Sands Boarder Single Male Tailor 23 1888 Northamptonshire Byefield<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Wilfrid Rothwell Boarder Single Male Railway Locomotive Fireman 20 1891 Hull Yorkshire James Hill Boarder Widower Male Bricklayer Blast Furnaces 59 1852 Smethwick Birmingham
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28 Dec 2016 21:02 |
1881?
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 133, Carlisle St East No 7 Court, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Learn more
Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Sands Head Married Male 44 1837 Iron Planer Iron Works Manchester, Lancashire, England Catherine Sands Wife Married Female 48 1833 - Manchester, Lancashire, England William Sands Son Single Male 22 1859 Puddler Iron Works Manchester, Lancashire, England Ann Sands Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Nut & Bolt Screwer Manchester, Lancashire, England Austin Sands Son Single Male 17 1864 Laborer Iron Works Manchester, Lancashire, England Sarah Sands Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Housekeeper (Dom) Manchester, Lancashire, England Francis Sands Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England Catherine Sands Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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alviegal
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28 Dec 2016 21:02 |
That William marrying in 1913 is a furnaceman and a widower. His father John (dec) was a planer?
It could possibly be him.
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28 Dec 2016 21:03 |
Root.
If the person named as notifier on the death certificate has any link to the new marriage, then that could indeed be the case.
At some time there were a number of Sands families living in Brightside Bierlow, all working in the steel kills
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alviegal
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28 Dec 2016 21:07 |
Christiana's burial?
Yorkshire Burials Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Christiana Last name Sands Age 62 Birth year 1867 Burial year 1929 Burial date 26 Aug 1929 Burial place Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield Spouse's first name(s) William County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive reference 207 Page 13
and William's?
Yorkshire Burials Transcription Print transcription First name(s) William Last name Sands Age 81 Birth year 1858 Burial year 1939 Burial date 18 Apr 1939 Burial place Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield County Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Archive reference - Page 547
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28 Dec 2016 21:08 |
Folks,
You are extremely helpful and bang on the mark.
1911 Census - Walter is my grandfather
Alvie - William was at one time a furnaceman and, from my old records, his father was a planer which is an ironworks activity.
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28 Dec 2016 21:11 |
Kathleen,
Walter went into a children's home in 1895 age 7, when his mother died. He is on the homes register age 13 in 1901
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28 Dec 2016 21:13 |
Christiana in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dane Street, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Learn more
Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Hy Horry Head Married Male 25 1866 General Labourer Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Christiana Horry Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Mary Amalie Horry Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Emma Horry Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Walt Hobson Brother In Law Single Male 23 1868 Bricklayers Labourer Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Savina Hobson Sister Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
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28 Dec 2016 21:18 |
Here she is in 1911 - same address as on 1913 marriage.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 179 Alfred Road Sheffield, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Learn more
Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Christiana Harry Head Widow Female - 43 1868 Newport Sheffield Erg Yorks Mary Ann Harry Daughter Single Female Law Hardener 22 1889 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks Ethel Harry Daughter Single Female - 19 1892 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks Nellie Harry Daughter Single Female - 8 1903 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks Albert Harry Son Single Male - 5 1906 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks William Griffiths Boarder Married Male Tyre Bowlers Labourer 19 1892 Wincsbank Sheffield Erg Yorks Emma Griffiths Daughter Married Female - 20 1891 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks William Griffiths Boarder Single Male - 0 1911 Brightside Sheffield Erg Yorks William Lands Boarder Widower Male Forge Man 53 1858 Manchester England Jack Voice Boarder Single Male Forge Man 35 1876 Leverton Nottingham Eng Walter Hobson Boarder Single Male Bricklayer Laber 41 1870 Neepsend Sheffield Eng Annie E Horry Boarder Single Female - 0 1911 Brightside Sheffield Eng
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