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11 Dec 2016 08:39 |
There are loads of William Bosistos! Though none marrying a Catherine as far as I can tell.
I agree with Gins, to help you, we need to know how you got back to these people
Jude
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11 Dec 2016 14:08 |
I have absolute from GRO on Sarah/Sally Basset marriage to Thomas Tippet. 1841 has them with Catherine Basset age 15. I have only baptism for Catherine from Cornwall OPC at Bethsada Chapel, St Columb and marriage William Bosisto and Catherine Harris same place. My reasoning is Catherine must be with a family member. The only William who fits with Catherine Harris is one born St Buryan with a sister Sarah. The India death may be a red herring as the family would never be able to purchase a lieutenancy BUT in the Madras Native Infantry may have allowed an enlisted soldier to be promoted. I do not use any other trees as evidence. The death I still need is the one green leaved on ancestry: William Bisset (variation in several PR entries for Bosisto, as is Basset) wife Catherine, daughter Catherine. All above contributes but most duplicates what I have. Thank you
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11 Dec 2016 15:01 |
(so below fits somewhere then?)
Chris :)
Day Month 26-Apr Year 1853 Parish Or Reg District Columb Major, St. Groom Fn Charles Groom Sn HAWKE Groom Age 24 Groom Residence S. Columb Major Groom Condition Bachelor Groom Rank Profession Grocer Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Catherine Bassett Bride Sn HARRIS Bride Age 24 Bride Residence S. Columb Major Bride Condition Spinster Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S Bride Father Name William Bride Father Rank Profession Miller Banns / Licence (B/L) L Witness Fn1 William Witness Sn1 Harris Witness Fn2 Robert Witness Sn2 Johns
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
(would say she was below?, also posted by Gins earlier, and on previous 'Thread, I also added brother John, was a Phillipa Harris 1831 also)
Baptism Circuit Columb, St., Bethesda Independent Forename Catharine Surname BASSET Sex Father Forename Wm Mother Forename Catharine Harris Residence St Columb Parish Or Reg District Father Rank Profession miller Day Month 17-Apr Year 1829 Age 18-Jan-? Where Baptised St Columb
29 April 1853 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England
Marriage At St. Columb, on the 26th inst., by the Rev. Philip Saulrey, Mr. Charles Hawke, grocer, to Catherine Bassett eldest daughter of Mr. William Harris, miller, both of that place.
17 December 1874 - West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser - Truro, Cornwall
Death At St. Columb on the 9th inst., Mr. William Harris, miller, aged 75 years.
Burial Day Month 14-Dec Year 1874 Parish Or Reg District Columb Major, St., Cemetery Forename William Surname HARRIS Age 74 Residence Notes In Unconsecrated Ground, Grave: 950, Fee: £6 10s 6d , Burial reg. entry: 41/793, Purchased, 9ft Transcriber Notes From Graves Register Transcriber Philip Green
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=harris&yearOfDeath=1875&page=16#calendar
(William Harris, Probate 1875)
Burial Day Month 27-Dec Year 1880 Parish Or Reg District Columb Major, St., Cemetery Forename Catherine Surname HARRIS Age 83 Residence Notes In Unconsecrated Ground, Grave: 950, Fee: £6 8s 6d , Burial reg. entry: 5/1104 Transcriber Notes From Graves Register Transcriber Philip Green
1851 (Find My Past) William Harris Head Married Male 51 1800 Miller Employing 3 Men And Farmer Of 120 Acres And 5 Labourers Cornwall, England Kitty Harris Wife Married Female 52 1799 Miller's Wife Cornwall, England Cathirine Harris Daughter Unmarried Female 32 (22)1819 Millers Daur St Columb Major, Cornwall, England John Harris Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Miller's Son St Columb Major, Cornwall, England Mary Harris Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar St Columb Major, Cornwall, England Elizabeth Harris Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar St Columb Major, Cornwall, England William Cowling Servant Unmarried Male 29 1822 Journeyman Miller St Stephens, Cornwall, England Thomas Dart Servant Unmarried Male 18 1833 Loader Devon, England Elizabeth Bassett Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 House Servant Cornwall, England Street Bank Street Town St Columb Parish St Columb Major County Cornwall Registration district St Columb Archive reference HO107 Piece number 1905 Folio 361 Page 28
Burial Day Month 22-May Year 1845 Parish Or Reg District Columb Major, St. Forename Philippa Surname HARRIS Age 13 Residence St Columb Bridge
(below fits somewhere in muddle also)
County Cornwall Place Helston Church name St Michael Register type Phillimore's Transcripts Marriage date 22 Jul 1811 Groom forename William Groom surname BOSISTO Bride forename Jane Bride surname BUZZA
Day Month 30-Dec Year 1832 Parish Or Reg District Truro, St. Mary Groom Fn William Groom Sn BOSESTO Groom Age Groom Residence otp Groom Condition Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Sally Bride Sn NICHOLS Bride Age Bride Residence otp Bride Condition Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 William Witness Sn1 Bosisto, Senr. Witness Fn2 Joseph Witness Sn2 Barrett Other Information Transcriber Notes Groom signed Bosisto. Bride signed Nicholls Transcriber C Williams/J Mitchell
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
Edits (looking at things, google search, below previous comes up!)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353663
(so was a Marriage ever found for William and Catherine Harris?, if so, when, not seeing)
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11 Dec 2016 16:57 |
Not sure what 'absolute from GRO' means- Sally married Thomas 1816?
Certainly looks to be them in the 1851 posted by Chris:
Death: First name(s) JOHN BASSETT Last name HARRIS Gender Male Birth year 1836 Age 70 Death quarter 2 Death year 1906 District ST. COLUMB County Cornwall Volume 5C Page 59 ------------------------------------
Matches the baptism:
First name(s) John Last name Bassett Birth year 1835 Birth date 20 Sep 1835 Baptism year 1835 Baptism date 21 Oct 1835 Place St Columb Denomination Independent Parent's name(s) Willm & Catharine Harris County Cornwall
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11 Dec 2016 17:18 |
There is a Catherine Basset born in 1798. Now here's a curve ball.
On the 1851 that Chris posted, Catherine uses the name 'Harris'
Could there have been a little mix up of names either in the parish records or when undertaking the research for the couple, the researcher became confused with the names? Or, could the names below, be correct!
Marriage date 13 Nov 1827
Parish St Stephen in Brannel
Place ST STEPHEN IN BRANNEL
Groom's first name(s) William
Groom's last name HARRIS <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's first name(s) Kitty
Bride's last name BASSET <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Cornwall Marriages
There is no image to check on FMP. If one exists, you girls will find it :-)
Added: The above marriage may be the reason why daughter Catherine, although born before the marriage of above, was not baptised until 2 years after her birth
Added again!
CATHARINE
Last name HARRIS
Birth year 1798
Baptism date 25 Feb 1798
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name HARRIS
Mother's first name(s) Margery Place FALMOUTH
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AustinQ
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11 Dec 2016 17:30 |
Please look at Gins post above- needs looking into, and don't want it to be ignored, just wanted to get this down:
Anita:
"The death I still need is the one green leaved on ancestry: William Bisset (variation in several PR entries for Bosisto, as is Basset) wife Catherine, daughter Catherine"
I don't see a death on Ancestry that matches quite what you're saying- however, if you don't have World access I'm wondering if this is what was 'greenleaved'?: (If not, can please show the information that is given from the 'greenleaf')
India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948 Name: William Bisset Gender: Male Spouse: Catherine Child: Catherine Bisset
If so, then it's actually a death record for daughter Catherine, and not William. Two come up with the same basic info as I've just given- these are the details when you open them:
Name: Catherine Bisset Gender: Female Burial Date: 18 Apr 1840 Burial Place: Trichinopoly, Madras, India Father: William Bisset Mother: Catherine FHL Film Number: 521842
Catherine Bisset Gender: Female Age: 0 Birth Date: 1843 Burial Date: 9 Sep 1843 Burial Place: Palamcottah, Madras, India Father: William Bisset Mother: Catherine FHL Film Number: 521843
So unlikely to be related.
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11 Dec 2016 17:41 |
From Cornwall OPC (no image):
Day Month 13-Nov Year 1827 Parish Or Reg District Stephen in Brannel, St. Groom Fn William Groom Sn HARRIS Groom Residence St Columb Major Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Kitty Bride Sn BASSETT Bride Residence St Stephen in Brannel Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 John Witness Sn1 Bassett Witness Fn2 Richard Witness Sn2 Rowse Other Information: with consent of parents
Transcriber Notes The Register records the bride's surname as Basset, but she signed Bassett (as does one of the witnesses)
Transcriber John Evans ------------------------------------------
It does look to be the correct marriage- parents on the baptism of John and Catherine are William and Catherine Harris. It seems (confirmed by the death of John) that their middle names were Bassett
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Dec 2016 17:45 |
Bombay Times and Journal of Commerce Bombay Times and Journal of Commerce Entry from Deaths 1840
Surname Bisset Given name(s) Catherine Year 1840 month Apr day 17 Register Entry At Trichinopoly on Fri 17th Apr Catherine the infant daughter of Lieut and Adjutant Bisset 15th Regt aged 4 months and 17 days Edition Year 1840 Edition Date 6 May
http://www.fibis.org/
Name: unrecorded) Bissett Event type: Birth Date: 15 - May Year: 1843 Location: Parents: Notes: At Palamcottah, the lady of Lieut. and Adj. Bissett, 15th N.I., of a daughter.
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/Home.aspx
(see 1807 Biography on below)
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/Advancediscovery.aspx
Chris :)
Edits (possible to go with 1827 Marriage)
Day Month 06-Aug Year 1798 Parish Or Reg District Stephen in Brannel, St. Forename Catherin Surname BASSETT Sex dau Father Forename John Mother Forename Mary Residence Father Rank Profession Notes born June 5 Transcriber Notes Transcriber John Evans
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Anita
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13 Dec 2016 14:55 |
OK. I believe the entry by AustinQ with mother called Jane is an error by vicar on entry. There is no marriage for a William Bosisto/Jane anywhere in Cornwall.So Ist marriage is William Bosisto (1759-1822) to Elizabeth Strongman 2 May 1782 at Magwan in Pydar Their son is William Strongman Bosisto 2nd marriage is WSB (1790- ) to Catherine Harris , information from the two baptisms above at Bethsada Independent naming mother of Catherine and John Catherine is then in 1841 with Sarah Tippet nee Basset (on marriage cert) aged 15. Cath. possible death as above in 1846 age 18. My Sarah Tippet Basset born 1796 (age consistent in census and DC) died in 1864; not on the date ever other tree on ancestry has (copied from each other no doubt).
All the above helps and indicates there is a second Catherine Basset in Cornwall and the one in India is not 'mine'
WSB has a sister Sarah 1795-1795 then another 1796. The shift in name is common. The name Bosisto gradually vanishes into Bisset, Basset.
My problem still is linking Catherine in 1841 to Sarah somehow through family. Sarah was not the sort to take in a stranger and the family were very poor. Need to look at the other Catherine found above. Anita :-S
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13 Dec 2016 15:11 |
IF the various ideas that Catherine was illegitimate and baptised with her mother's surname, after mother and father married (??!) then I need to see if that Kitty Basset had a sister born mid 1790s! Still trying for that family link. A
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13 Dec 2016 15:13 |
Well I can't fathom things, lol, but where does below fit in then (as posted earlier)...
Chris :)
County Cornwall Place Helston Church name St Michael Register type Phillimore's Transcripts Marriage date 22 Jul 1811 Groom forename William Groom surname BOSISTO Bride forename Jane Bride surname BUZZA
County Cornwall Place Helston Church name St Michael Register type Parish Register Register entry number 1029 Marriage date 02 Jul 1811 Groom forename William Groom surname BOSISTO Groom abode Helston Bride forename Jane Bride surname BUZZA Bride abode Helston Witness ? BUZZA Witness Mary MATTHEWS Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
(and just because of surname for Williams, there was below)
Day Month 30-Dec Year 1832 Parish Or Reg District Truro, St. Mary Groom Fn William Groom Sn BOSESTO Groom Age Groom Residence otp Groom Condition Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Sally Bride Sn NICHOLS Bride Age Bride Residence otp Bride Condition Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) B Witness Fn1 William Witness Sn1 Bosisto, Senr. Witness Fn2 Joseph Witness Sn2 Barrett Other Information Transcriber Notes Groom signed Bosisto. Bride signed Nicholls Transcriber C Williams/J Mitchell
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
AustinQ Report 10 Dec 2016 15:41
Name: William Strongman Bosisto Gender: Male Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1790 Baptism Place: Helston,Cornwall,England Father: William Bosisto Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number: 916939
Name: Wm Strongman Bosisto Gender: Male Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1812 Baptism Place: Helston,Cornwall,England Father: William Bosisto Mother: Jane
Edits (also to William/Jane, James 1816 Joseph 1819)
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Gee
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13 Dec 2016 20:58 |
Oh, I see that the poster has not come back since the new, probable accurate information has been found, such a shame
I have sent a PM but no reply as yet
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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14 Dec 2016 20:55 |
Dear Anita..it's almost impossible to help without knowing how you got back ..and what back up you have. There are lots of Williams...and a response to Gins et al would help us to help you
Jude
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AustinQ
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15 Dec 2016 08:11 |
It's all very confusing- the Catherine Bassett/ Bissett on the 1841 census with Sally Tippett is not this Catherine:
Catharine Basset Birth date 18 Jan 1827 Baptism year 1829 Baptism date 17 Apr 1829 Place St Columb Denomination Independent Father's first name(s) Wm (occupation Miller) Mother's first name(s) Cathane Harris
The above Catherine had middle name Bassett, surname Harris- this is her with parents in 1841:
Name: Catherine Harris Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Gender: Female Where born: Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Columb Major Hundred: Pyder County/Island: Cornwall Registration district: St Columb Major Sub-registration district: St Columb Piece: 149 Book: 7 Folio: 61 Page Number: 3
William Harris 40 Miller Catherine Harris 40 Catherine Harris 12 Philippa Harris 8 John Harris 5 Mary Harris 2 Elizabeth Harris 2 -------------------------------------------
The Catherine with Sally Tippett is 15 in 1841. As ages are rounded down she could be as old as 19.
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Anita
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15 Dec 2016 10:43 |
I cannot sit here most days. So sorry for delays. I am not looking for William Bosistos apart from William Strongman Bosisto, identified above born 1790. Parents William Bosisto and Elizabeth Strongman. WSB had a wife called Catherine Harris - baptisms at Bethsada Independent. If I can find WSB and wife Catherine in 1841 or identify deaths pre 1841 then it may help with who Catherine Basset age 15 with Sally Tippet nee Basset in the 1841 census. Sally is the person I need to find ancestors for. Anita
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15 Dec 2016 11:11 |
So what do you think of 1811 WSB Marriage then?...
Chris :)
Name: William Strongman Bosisto Gender: Male Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1790 Baptism Place: Helston,Cornwall,England Father: William Bosisto Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number: 916939
County Cornwall Place Helston Church name St Michael Register type Phillimore's Transcripts Marriage date 22 Jul 1811 Groom forename William Groom surname BOSISTO Bride forename Jane Bride surname BUZZA
County Cornwall Place Helston Church name St Michael Register type Parish Register Register entry number 1029 Marriage date 02 Jul 1811 Groom forename William Groom surname BOSISTO Groom abode Helston Bride forename Jane Bride surname BUZZA Bride abode Helston Witness ? BUZZA Witness Mary MATTHEWS Register note Bride and groom signed with a mark
All England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837 (Ancestry)
Wm Bosisto Jane Buzza 1811 Helston Cornwall
Name: Wm Strongman Bosisto Gender: Male Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1812 Baptism Place: Helston,Cornwall,England Father: William Bosisto Mother: Jane
You state WSB had a wife called Catherine Harris - but where was this Marriage?...
(how many WSB's are there?, lol)
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15 Dec 2016 12:40 |
You don't seem to be considering the other evidence that's been given.
William married Jane Buzza. This is them in 1841:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Union Place, St Mary, Truro, Cornwall, England
William Bosustow Male 50 1791 Cornwall, England Jane Bosustow Female 55 1786 Cornwall, England Ellen Bosustow Female 14 1827 Cornwall, England Sarah Bosustow Female 12 1829 Cornwall, England -----------------------------------------
And in 1851:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Middle Rosewin, St Clement, Truro, Cornwall, England
William Basisto Head Married Male 61 1790 Cordwainer Helston, Cornwall, England Jane Basisto Wife Married Female 63 1788 - Kea, Cornwall, England Sarah Basisto Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1829 Dress Maker Truro, Cornwall, --------------------------------------------------
The children baptised in Bethsada Independent Chapel, were brought up with surname Harris (middle name Bassett). Both Catherine and John appear on the 1841 as Harris, with parents, William Harris (Miller) and Catherine Harris.- As has been posted above.
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15 Dec 2016 12:54 |
I think you need to start again. You're wanting to trace the parents of Sally/ Sarah Bassett that married Thomas Tippett in 1816 in the parish of Kea, Cornwall (Witnesses were Henry Shewes? & Mary Deeble)
This is Sally Bassett and Thomas Tippett in 1841:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Tomperrow, Kea, Truro, Cornwall, England
Thos Tippett Male 45 1796 Cornwall, England Sally Tippett Female 45 1796 Cornwall, England Wm Tippett Male 15 1826 Cornwall, England George Tippett Male 16 1825 Cornwall, England Catherine Tippett Female 13 1828 Cornwall, England Martin Tippett Male 11 1830 Cornwall, England John Tippett Male 9 1832 Cornwall, England Sally Tippett Female 6 1835 Cornwall, England Harriot Tippett Female 5 1836 Cornwall, England Catherine Basset Female 15 1826 Cornwall, England -----------------------------------------
Based on the surname, you thought that Catherine could be a relative of Sallys.
As I posted earlier- Catherine could have been as old as 19 as the ages of people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5.
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15 Dec 2016 13:26 |
(this isn't sister Sarah of WSB is it?)
Chris :)
Day Month 10-Mar Year 1818 Parish Or Reg District Helston Groom Fn John Groom Sn TRESIDDER Groom Age Groom Residence Helston Groom Condition Groom Rank Profession Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) Groom Father Name Groom Father Rank Profession Bride Fn Sarah Bride Sn BOSISTO Bride Age Bride Residence Helston Bride Condition Bride Rank Profession Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) Bride Father Name Bride Father Rank Profession Banns / Licence (B/L) banns Witness Fn1 William Witness Sn1 Bosisto Witness Fn2 Jane Witness Sn2 Tresidder
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Day Month 06-Mar Year 1796 Parish Or Reg District Helston Forename Sarah Surname BOSISTO Sex Dau Father Forename Wm Mother Forename Eliz'th
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15 Dec 2016 13:55 |
Sally and Thomas had child Martin PASCOE Tippett. On the 1841 census, underneath Catherine Bassett is an Elizabeth Pascoe age 75- have you tried tracing her to see if she connects to the family? (although I suspect she relates to the Tippetts)
Day Month 14-Oct Year 1832 Parish Or Reg District Kea Forename Martin Pascoe Surname TIPPETT Sex Father Forename Thomas Mother Forename Sally Residence Hagus Father Rank Profession miner -------------------------------
Burial: Day Month 05-Nov Year 1849 Parish Or Reg District Kea Forename Elizabeth Surname PASCOE Age 85 Residence Tomperra -------------------------------------------
EDIT- Yes looks to be related to the Tippetts- Elizabeth Tippett married Martyn Pascoe in 1820.
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