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Rita,
for you to go back with any certainty you may be obliged to buy a copy of the marriage certificate of William and Annie to see who their father's name were.
The certificate will also give an address where they were living at the time of marriage, which may be their home address, and their father's occupations which should help confirm, or not if my 1911 entries are the correct ones.

Without proof you may go off on another wild goose chase so well worth the investment.

Possible death for William

Name: William E Giles
Birth Date: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Haringey
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 949
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...................and if, as you say mother died in 1960, then this could be a possible death for Annie:-

Deaths Mar 1960 (>99%)
GILES Annie E 55 Wood Green 5f 551
The district Wood Green is in the county of Middlesex

(makes date of birth abt. 1905)

Oh my goodness - Thankyou so much everyone for your help and input. Will check through everything. Your comments have explained a lot....at the begining I was sure fathers name was William Ernest which is what I was searching - however I then came across an Archibald William who had married an Elizabeth Harvey so jumped to the wrong conclusion and went right of course - as far at New Zealand it would seem !! Sadly I have no certificates to verify names of parents etc and my own has no mention of parents (short form). So yes the parents were William and Annie which had been my first search. Back on track now - so thanks again to you all x

Have sent Rita a pm asking for her come back and answer a couple of questions.

Possible for William in 1911

42 Boyton Road Hornsey, Hornsey, Middlesex, England

Edward Giles Head Married Male General Labourer 49 1862 Sussex Pulborough
Ellen Giles Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Herts Potter Bar
Edward Giles Son - Male G N Railway 16 1895 Middlesex Highgate
John Giles Son - Male Errand Boy 14 1897 Middlesex Holloway
George Giles Son - Male School Errand Boy 13 1898 Middlesex Hornsey
Hector Giles Son - Male School 11 1900 Middlesex Hornsey
William Giles Son - Male School 5 1906 Middlesex Hornsey
Frank Giles Son - Male - 3 1908 Middlesex Hornsey

Married 18yrs.
Children:- 8 - 6 children living and 2 died

As we now know that parents were more likey to be William and Annie

I think this may be Annie in 1911

18 Nags Head Road Ponders End Middlesex, Enfield, Middlesex, England

Thomas Edward Harvey Head Married Male Gas Stoker 35 1876 West Ham Essex
Annie Harvey Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Dalston London
James William Harvey Son - Male School 10 1901 West Ham Essex
Arthur Frederick Harvey Son - Male - 8 1903 West Ham Essex
Annie Elisabeth Harvey Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Ponders End Middlesex
Albert Henry Harvey Son - Male - 5 1906 Ponders End Middlesex
Rosina Florence Harvey Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Ponders End Middlesex

Married 14yrs
Children :- 7 - 5 living and 2 died

Exactly what I was thinking Potty.

I was just going to ask if Raymond had his birth certificate to see who his parents were?

Whoops, just noticed I didn't post the site for the NZ service record:

http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE18709547

It certainly looks as if Archibald wasn't the father of the three children Rita mentions but surely she must have her and Raymond's marriage cert, which should confirm Raymond's father's name?

Oh well , there you are from Potty's posting it looks like my burial is him.

It's possible that he went back to New Zealand ??

Name Archibald William Giles
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1946
Event Place Christchurch, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Photograph Included N
Death Date 02 Jun 1946
Affiliate Record Identifier 153226054
Cemetery Bromley Cemetery

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Name Elizabeth Giles
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1965
Event Place Christchurch, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Photograph Included N
Death Date 11 Jun 1965
Affiliate Record Identifier 153226057
Cemetery Bromley Cemetery

This site has Archibald's service record. Gives wife as Mrs E Giles. 71 Sprey Street. Poplar. It also says he died in 1946 in New Zealand. (Ch Ch - possibly Christchurch?).

Discharged 30/09/1919; intended address: 59 Osborn St, Linwood, Ch Ch

Edit:

Married Elizabeth Harvey, 20/01/1919 at Bromley.

No children shown.

I think this prooves that the parents of the twins and elder sibling Raymond was not Archibald and Elizabeth at all.


Their parents were William Ernest and Annie E. Harvey who married in 1929!

More siblings:-

Name Bertha Mary Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1886
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Giles
Mother's Name Margaret Giles
Registration Number 1886/13812


Name George Robert Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1891
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Giles
Mother's Name Margaret Giles
Registration Number 1891/16464


Name William McCormack Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1894
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Edward Giles
Mother's Name Margaret Giles
Registration Number 1894/1678

Here he is:-

Archibald William Giles

New Zealand, Civil Records Indexes
Name Archibald William Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1888
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Giles
Mother's Name Margaret Giles
Registration Number 1888/12514

.....so looks as though he was from New Zealand!

Also these:-

John Edward George Giles
New Zealand, Civil Records Indexes
Name John Edward George Giles
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1883
Event Place New Zealand
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Margaret McCormack
Spouse's Gender Female
Registration Number 1883/3290

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Name Edward George Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1884
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Edward George Giles
Mother's Name Margaret Giles
Registration Number 1884/5169

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John Edwad George Giles
Find A Grave Index
Name John Edwad George Giles
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1935
Event Place Christchurch, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Photograph Included N
Death Date 15 Sep 1935
Affiliate Record Identifier 153226061
Cemetery Bromley Cemetery


.....................but no birth showing for Archibald.

Nothing for his father either, but there is this:-

John Edward George Giles

New Zealand, Civil Records Indexes
Name John Edward George Giles
Event Type Birth
Event Date 1862
Event Place New Zealand
Father's Name John Giles
Mother's Name Sarah Giles
Registration Number 1862/12758

I can't find a birth for an Archibald W Giles anywhere in England or Wales at the correct time?

As he was a soldier in the New Zealand Expiditionary Force, I'm wonderg in he could have actually been born in New Zealand?

I feel that the marriage in 1929 would be more likely for the twins. If that's the case, not sure where Rita has got Archibald William Giles from

Sorry, Catherine I added the details after looking at the image of the Marriage