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captain of a tug boat......wasn't expecting that :-) :-) :-)

If correct family through all census, which it looks to be, was there an older John b
c 1850 (on 1851/61 census) before John b 1868 who appears on the 1871 census.

i don't know.....I only had info back to 1890....pretty unusual to call 2 sons by the same name???unless he died

Lynn - sorry, not directing that question to you specifically - a rhetorical question really. I would imagine that the elder John died and the next son born after that was named for him - still too many John Williams born/died to pinpoint!

A possibility for Catherine's christening?
We know she was born in Dolgelly c 1825, and she had children named Evan and Grace.


Catherine Owen
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Catherine Owen
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Feb 1825
Christening Place HEN CHAPEL CONGREGATIONAL OR INDEPENDENT,DOLGELLY,MERIONETH,WALES
Father's Name Evan Owen
Mother's Name Gras

If that's her, perhaps, that would reduce the possible marriages to three between 1841 and 1851 (as far as I can see).

I don't see any John Williams / Catherine [?] marriages in Dolgelly.


Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Dec 1847
Event Place Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catherine Owen


Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 03 Jul 1847
Event Place Beddgelert, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catherine Owens



Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers
Name John Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 28 Jan 1843
Event Place Llanddeiniolen, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Catharine Owen

absolute possibility - yes...consider it noted :-)

I think 1st one can be riuled out due to location....more likely to be one of the latter 2

There is also below, his occ. Mariner, no idea of Welsh places or Parishes here!, so apologies!, too many of that name!.

(Find My Past carry 'Caernarvonshire Marriages', also Baptisms and Burials, you can then view images of Parish Registers)

They have below. (his Father, Robert. occ. Carpenter, Her Father, William occ. Labourer)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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WILLIAMS Catherine Bangor 27 471
WILLIAMS John Bangor &c 27 471


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(and above carries some Parishes also, free to view)


http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(above usually brings snippets, sometimes helped by addresses on Census, or Certs.)

To join Chris in muddying the waters re that Williams / Williams marriage:


Catherine Williams
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Catherine Williams
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Nov 1824
Christening Place HEN CHAPEL CONGREGATIONAL OR INDEPENDENT,DOLGELLY,MERIONETH,WALES
Father's Name David Williams
Mother's Name Jane

John & Catherine also had children named David and Jane!


EDIT: but the father of the Catherine Williams in that 1845 marriage was William.

(lol, AG, as you know, I'm no better with things Scottish!)

Chris :)

newspaper link will be useful - many thanks....my dear old dad will love all this :-)