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2 Oct 2016 12:43 |
Trying to find the birth of Jane Bishop 1839-1889
married to a George Fuggle 1860 then to George Britcher 1880 Tenderden
on the census birth given as 1839
lots of trees give her birth 1826
my friends grandmother was Bertha Fuggle 1871 Janes daughter
can any one find a birth in 1839 for her as 1826 does not seem right
thank you Ann
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2 Oct 2016 13:11 |
Just to confirm - is this the right family?
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ashford Road, Tenterden, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Fuggle Head Married Male 24 1837 Agricultural Labourer Tenterden, Kent, England Jane Fuggle Wife Married Female 22 1839 Labourers Wife Biddenden, Kent, England Mary A Fuggle Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Tenterden, Kent, England George C Fuggle Son - Male 1 1860 - Tenterden, Kent, England
Don't believe other people's trees unless there is supporting evidence.
Maybe she doctored her age to be closer to that of George?
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2 Oct 2016 13:13 |
1861 861 England Census View Image View Record Name Jane Fuggle Age 40 Estimated Birth Year 1821 Relation Head Gender Female Where born Tenterden, Kent, England Civil parish Tenterden Ecclesiastical parish Canterbury Town Tenterden County/Island Kent Country England Registration district Tenterden Sub-registration district Tenterden ED, institution, or vessel 3 Household schedule number 124 Piece 510 Folio 40 Page number 22 Household Members Name Age Jane Fuggle George Fuggle Susan Watson
1851 1851 England Census View Image View Record Name Jane Bishop Age 28 Estimated Birth Year abt 1823 Relation Daughter Mother's Name Mary Bishop Gender Female Where born Tenterden, Kent, England Civil parish Tenterden 4634 Town Tenterden County/Island Kent Country England Registration district Tenterden Sub-registration district Rolvenden ED, institution, or vessel 2b Household schedule number 86 Piece 1620 Folio 227 Page number 21 Household Members Name Age Mary Bishop 60 Jane Bishop 28 Edward Bishop 25 William Duxbury 55
1841 1841 England Census View Image View Record Name Jane Bishop Age 15 Estimated Birth Year abt 1826 Gender Female Where born Kent, England Civil parish Tenterden Hundred Tenterden County/Island Kent Country England Registration district Tenterden Sub-registration district Tenterden Piece 476 Book 1 Folio 29 Page number 14 Household Members Name Age George Bishop 50 Mary Bishop 50 George Bishop 25 Charles Bishop 20 Jane Bishop 15 Edward Bishop 15 Mary Bishop 12
1841 for george 1841 England Census View Image View Record Name George Fuggle Age Above 20 Estimated Birth Year abt 1821 Gender Male Where born Kent, England Civil parish Tenterden Hundred Tenterden County/Island Kent Country England Registration district Tenterden Sub-registration district Tenterden Piece 476 Book 1 Folio 36 Page number 28 Household Members Name Age George Fuggle Above 20 Henry Fuggle Above 20
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2 Oct 2016 13:15 |
Name Jane Bishop Gender Female Christening Date 17 Nov 1822 Christening Place Tenterden, Kent, England Father's Name George Bishop Mother's Name Mary Citing this Record
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX4M-F9D : 30 December 2014), Jane Bishop, 17 Nov 1822; citing Tenterden, Kent, England, reference 100; FHL microfilm 1,473,771.
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2 Oct 2016 13:16 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ashford Road, Tenterden, Kent, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Britcher Head Married Male 41 1840 Shoemaker Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Jane Britcher Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Laura Britcher Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Dora Britcher Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Louis Fuggle (Britcher) Step Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Bertha Fuggle (Britcher) Step Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Alfred Fuggle (Britcher) Step Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Harry Britcher Son Single Male 2 1879 Scholar Tenterden, Kent, England
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greyghost
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2 Oct 2016 13:16 |
Kent Marriages Transcription
First name(s) George Last name Fuggle Marriage year 1860 Marriage year as transcribed 1860 Marriage date 13 Feb 1860 Church St Mildred Marriage place Tenterden, St Mildred Spouse's first name(s) Jane Spouse's last name Bishop Groom's first name George Groom's last name Fuggle Groom's residence Otp Bride's first name Jane Bride's last name Bishop Bride's residence OTP Banns or licence Banns County Kent
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Maddie
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2 Oct 2016 13:18 |
1881 but b irth year is 1840
Jane Britcher England and Wales Census, 1881 Name Jane Britcher Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Tenterden, Kent, England Registration District Tenterden Residence Note Ashford Road Gender Female Age 41 Marital Status (Original) Married Relationship to Head of Household Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1840 Birthplace Tenterden, Kent, England Page Number 10 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 942/17 Affiliate Record Type Household Household Role Gender Age Birthplace George Britcher Head M 41 Tenterden, Kent, England Jane Britcher Wife F 41 Tenterden, Kent, England Laura Britcher Daughter F 14 Tenterden, Kent, England Dora Britcher Daughter F 11 Tenterden, Kent, England Louis Fuggle (Britcher) Step Son M 13 Tenterden, Kent, England Bertha Fuggle (Britcher) Step Daughter F 10 Tenterden, Kent, England Alfred Fuggle (Britcher) Step Son M 8 Tenterden, Kent, England Harry Britcher Son M 2 Tenterden, Kent, England Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-XMGP : 18 August 2016), Jane Britcher in household of George Britcher, Tenterden, Kent, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 10, Piece/Folio 942/17, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,774,440.
England and Wales Census, 1881 Household ID 954725 Line Number 19 GS Film Number 101774440 Digital Folder Number 101774440 Image Number 00313
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2 Oct 2016 13:28 |
marriage to george
Kent Marriages Transcription
Learn more Print transcription First name(s) George Last name Fuggle Marriage year 1860 Marriage year as transcribed 1860 Marriage date 13 Feb 1860 Church St Mildred Marriage place Tenterden, St Mildred Spouse's first name(s) Jane Spouse's last name Bishop Groom's first name George Groom's last name Fuggle Groom's residence Otp Bride's first name Jane Bride's last name Bishop Bride's residence OTP Banns or licence Banns County Kent Record source Tenterden St Mildred marriages 1837-1894 Record set Kent Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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a george born 1818
Kent Marriages Transcription
Learn more Print transcription First name(s) George Last name Fuggle Birth year 1818 Marriage year 1843 Marriage year as transcribed 1843 Marriage date 29 Jul 1843 Church St Mildred Marriage place Tenterden, St Mildred Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann Spouse's last name Webb Groom's first name George Groom's last name Fuggle Groom's birth year 1818 Groom's age 25 Groom's residence Otp Bride's first name Mary Ann Bride's last name Webb Bride's birth year 1824 Bride's age 19 Bride's residence OTP Banns or licence Banns County Kent Record source Tenterden St Mildred marriages 1837-1894 Record set Kent Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
George Last name Fuggle Baptism year 1817 Baptism date 28 Nov 1817 Father's first name(s) James Father's last name - Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name 28 Parent's occupation Labourer Residence Tenterden Dedication St Mildred Place Tenterden, St Mildred County Kent Country England Record source Tenterden St Mildred baptisms 1544-1860 Record set Kent Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
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Kent Family History Society
jane to britcher JANE Last name FUGGLE Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1880 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ JANE FUGGLE married one of these people THOMAS SHARP, GEORGE BRITCHER District TENTERDEN District number - County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 869 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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2 Oct 2016 14:23 |
so jane c 1823 ishop Jane 1826 — 1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Image Bishop Jane 1823 — 1851 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Image BISHOP JANE — — 1860 England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Tenterden, Kent, England Transcription Image Bishop Jane — — 1860 Kent Marriages Kent, England
can't find anything prior to 1861 for jane born c 1839 in the tenterden area
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Maddie
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2 Oct 2016 15:27 |
a tree on ancestry has this but no documantrry proof
marriage 24 October 1857 • The Superintendant Registrar's Office, Cranbrook, Kent, England George Fuggle
(1837–1874) MARY JANE Last name FUGGLE Birth year 1858 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name - District CRANBROOK County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 438 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription High Street, Tenterden, Kent, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Fuggle Head - Male 33 1838 - Kent, England Transcription Jane Fuggle Wife - Female 31 1840 - Kent, England Transcription Mary J Fuggle Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Kent, England Transcription George O Fuggle Son - Male 10 1861 - Kent, England Transcription Fredrick W Fuggle Son - Male 9 1862 - Kent, England Transcription Nelson H Fuggle Son - Male 7 1864 - Kent, England Transcription Archibald E Fuggle Son - Male 4 1867 - Kent, England Transcription Louis O A Fuggle Son - Male 2 1869 - Kent, England
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2016 15:38 |
I think we're talking about two different Janes. (And two different George Fuggles.)
Annabel's friend's gr-grandmother was Jane Hinkley 1839, not Jane Bishop 1822.
Jane 1839:
In 1861 (as posted by Greyghost) she was married to a George Fuggle, and had children Mary (3) and George.
Their marriage? -
Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%) Fuggle George Cranbrook 2a 779 Hinkley Jane Cranbrook 2a 779
Her birth?
Births Mar 1839 (>99%) HINKLEY Jane Cranbrook 5 72
1861 says she was born Biddenden, but that may have been a mistake by the enumerator - Benenden is in Cranbrook reg district.
The 1871 census (though mistranscribed), does say she was born Benenden on the image.
George Fuggle in the 1871 England Census Name: George Fuggle Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: John Fuggle [Jane] Gender: Male Where born: Tenterden, Kent, England Civil Parish: Tenterden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mildred Town: Tenterden County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Tenterden Sub-registration district: Tenterden ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 152 Piece: 954 Folio: 44 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age George Fuggle 33 John Fuggle 31 - [Jane] Mary J Fuggle 13 Gene O Fuggle 10 - [George] Fredrick W Fuggle 9 Nelson H Fuggle 7 Archibald E Fuggle 4 Louis O A Fuggle 2
Then husband George died:
George Fuggle in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: George Fuggle Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Registration Year: 1874 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 37 Registration district: Tenterden Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 380
and then Jane married George Britcher, as already posted.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2016 15:43 |
The other Jane, born 1822 (Bishop) - christening posted above by Maddie:
Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%) Bishop Jane Tenterden 2a 588 Fuggle George Tenterden 2a 588
She's in the other 1861 census, posted by Maddie, with son George, and Susan Watson.
(Posting again here)
Jane Fuggle in the 1861 England Census Name: Jane Fuggle Age: 40 Estimated birth year: 1821 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Tenterden, Kent, England Civil Parish: Tenterden Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury Town: Tenterden County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Tenterden Sub-registration district: Tenterden ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 124 Piece: 510 Folio: 40 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Jane Fuggle 40 George Fuggle 2/12 Susan Watson 53
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2016 15:56 |
Jane Hinkley of Benenden / Biddenden:
Jane Hinkley in the 1841 England Census Name: Jane Hinkley Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Gender: Female Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Biddenden Hundred: Berkeley County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Tenterden Sub-registration district: Rolvenden Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 471 Book: 7 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Henry Hinkley 65 Maria Hinkley 40 Sophia Hinkley 11 Sarah Hinkley 8 Miram Hinkley 6 Elizebeth Hinkley 4 Jane Hinkley 2 Samuel Hinkley 4 Mo
Jane Hinkly in the 1851 England Census Name: Jane Hinkly Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Maria Hinkly Gender: Female Where born: Benenden, Kent, England Civil Parish: Benenden Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Cranbrook Sub-registration district: Cranbrook ED, institution, or vessel: 3c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Piece: 1619 Folio: 215 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Maria Hinkly 51 Elizth Hinkly 14 Jane Hinkly 12 Saml Hinkly 10 Lousia Hinkly 7
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2016 16:01 |
Re Jane Hinkley's birth:
Births Mar 1839 (>99%) HINKLEY Jane Cranbrook 5 72 - [ Benenden ?] HINKLY Jane Tenterden 5 416 - [ Biddenden ?]
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Chris Ho :)
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2 Oct 2016 16:33 |
County Kent Place Benenden Church name St George Register type Transcript Marriage date 18 Aug 1822 Groom forename Henry Groom surname HINKLEY Bride forename Maria Bride surname WORSLEY
(if relating anywhere, from below free link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
Chris :)
Edits
http://tinyurl.com/gt2bdz2
(Find A Grave)
Maria Worsley Hinkley Birth: 1801 Kent, England Death: Feb. 14, 1872 Benenden Kent, England
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Annabel
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3 Oct 2016 01:51 |
Thank you all for your reply's really appreciate it, will study all of them today
, having a quick look, Jane Hinkley married a George Fuggle she died 1858 had a daughter Mary looks like George then married Jane Bishop 1860.
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3 Oct 2016 07:00 |
Kent & Sussex Courier - Wednesday 08 July 1874
On the 27th ult at Tenterden, after a short and painful illness, George Fuggle aged 37 years. The deceased has left a widow (who is ill) with eight children to lament their loss.
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3 Oct 2016 08:08 |
Annabel, George didn't marry twice-
Look at ArgyllGran's post- George married Jane Hinkley, born 1839.
Jane Bishop married another George (I suspect he died shortly after he married Jane Bishop, which is why there is a lot of confusion).
Possibly the death of George that married Jane Bishop:
Death: First name(s) GEORGE Last name FUGGLE Gender Male Death quarter 1 Death year 1861 District TENTERDEN County Kent Volume 2A Page 344
This is Jane (nee Bishop) in 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Back of High Street Mayers Place, Tenterden, Kent, England
Jane Fuggle Head Widow Female 40 1821 Dressmaker Tenterden, Kent, England George Fuggle Son Unmarried Male 0 1861 - Tenterden, Kent, England Susan Watson Boarder Married Female 53 1808 Charwoman Biddenden, Kent, -----------------------------------------------------
And this is the Jane (nee Hinkley) in 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ashford Road, Tenterden, Kent, England
George Fuggle Head Married Male 24 1837 Agricultural Labourer Tenterden, Kent, England Jane Fuggle Wife Married Female 22 1839 Labourers Wife Biddenden, Kent, England Mary A Fuggle Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Tenterden, Kent, England George C Fuggle Son - Male 1 1860 - Tenterden, Kent, England
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3 Oct 2016 08:22 |
Would Bertha's birth certificate not confirm Jane's maiden surname? You could then be sure of an accurate tree.
First name(s) BERTHA BEATRICE Last name FUGGLE Birth year 1871 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's last name - District TENTERDEN County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 637 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Annabel
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3 Oct 2016 09:03 |
My original post Trying to find the birth of Jane Bishop 1839-1889
married to a George Fuggle 1860 then to George Britcher 1880 Tenderden
on the census birth given as 1839
lots of trees give her birth 1826
my friends grandmother was Bertha Fuggle 1871 Janes daughter
can any one find a birth in 1839 for her as 1826 does not seem right
thank you Ann
Bertha's mother was Jane Bishop
1861 census daughter Mary was born 1858 3 years before George and Jane Bishops marriage, will tell my friend get a copy of her birth cert
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