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Looking back I see that I acknowledged Alviegal and AustinQ as solvers of the Nancy and Pearl E Cawley problems. I didn't mention Greyghost who suggested Annie 1908 who married Trott. A good call, had May Barbara S N E not appeared on the scene.

I had not linked her birth to the Trott marriage and can also add also that to the website, and her parents when I find them.

Thanks again to all.

Alan Stoner

Like I said, no idea why or when she added the Pearl, but (without buying certificates) I'm pretty sure she's our person.

No sign of the P E here!
Entry from Bexhill St Barnabas 1891 - 1900
First names Alice
Surname MCCAWLEY
Sex d
Baptism Date 03-Sep
Year baptised 1899
Father first names Frank
Father surname MCCAWLEY
Mother first names Annie
Mother surname MCCAWLEY
Occupation Carpenter

Good sleuthing, AustinQ. You and Alviegal seem to have cleared up for me. Yes I'd sought out the military file but so far only glanced at Wills for Alice without success.

I have no other candidate for Alice PE Stoner and 1911 says Annie had four children.

Many thanks, Alan

You could always try contacting Eileens's daughter (living in Hove), she may be able to confirm the above.

Once again we overlapped! More soon.

Your post seems a repeat of mine above! Perhaps Charles disowned her when he remarried?

1901 census of Frank and Annie posted above.

this is Annie in 1911 (Alice was in the workhouse infirmary):

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Channel View Road Eastbourne, Eastbourne, Sussex, England

Annie McCawley Wife Married Female Laundress 35 1876 Eastbourne Sussex
Nora McCawley Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Chichester Sussex
Frank McCawley Son - Male - 4 1907 Chichester Sussex
Faith McCawley Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Eastbourne Sussex

Frank died in 1933- his military file is on Ancestry:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
McCAWLEY Frank, of 9 Chandler Road, Bexhill on Sea Sussex died 8 September 1933 at Ashdown Yard, Windsor Road, Bexhill-on-Sea Administration London to Annie McCawley widow. Effects £514 4s 8d

Charles Henry Stoner marries Pearl E Cawley in 1925, with daughter Eileen M in 1927, with mmn CAWLEY.

The 1939 transcrption (haven't seen the original) has Eileen M CLARKE (McCawley) which normally means she is currently MCCAWLEY but will later marry CLARKE which EIleen M STONER does in 1949. I would expect Eileen M CLARKE (Stoner)

Why should she be listed as McCAWLEY in 1939? Charles has remarried, allegedly as a widower. If Pearl CAWLEY was in fact Pearl McCAWLEY then Eileen is living with her grandmother. It seems Pearl's only mention is in the marriage index. I wonder whether Charles H and Pearl are visible in the Brighton Poll Books 1927-1930?

I haven't found Frank/Annie (in Ancestry) in 1901 or 1911. Any clues for me?

Alice is in the workhouse infirmary in 1911, that's why I didn't see her with family:

1911:
First name(s) Alice
Last name McCawley
Relationship Inmate
Sex Female
Age 11
Birth year 1900
Birth place Sussex Eastbourne
Address Eastbourne
Parish Eastbourne
County Sussex
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Eastbourne
Registration district number 71
Enumeration district 37
Sub district Eastbourne
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN4849 RD71 SD2 ED37 SN9999
Piece number 4849
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and Alice & parents in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
66, Windsor Road, Bexhill, Battle, Sussex, England

Frank MacAulay Head Married Male 31 1870 Carpenter & Joiner Canada
Annie MacAulay Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Eastbourne, Sussex,
Alice MacAulay Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Eastbourne, Sussex,
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So, after Alice Pearl E Stoner (nee McCawley/ Cawley) died, her daughter Eileen was raised with surname McCawley with her Grandmother.

Hopefully that's another one solved :-) Although why & when she added Pearl I don't know?

Of course it was Marries- don't think I was firing on all cylinders!

I think I have it!

Was looking at this death- was thinking it could be Alice Pearl E?

First name(s) ALICE P E
Last name STONER
Gender Female
Birth year 1900
Age 29
Death quarter 1
Death year 1929
District PANCRAS
County London
Volume 1B Page 200
Country England
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Although she married as Cawley, we know from the 1939 register that her daughter was brought up with the name McCawley. So searching for Alice McCawley took me back to Frank McCawley and Annie Swift:

National School Admission Registers & Log-books

First name(s) Alice
Last name Mccawley
Birth year 1899
Birth date 04 Jun 1899
Event year 1908
School name Chichester Central School
Town Chichester
County Sussex
Country England
Parent name(s) Mccawley Frank
Book type Admissions

From Austin's query posted above:


"Unsure who the Marrie/ Massie S is- the date appears to be wrong if May was born a few months later?!"

I had been wondering about that too and in the night I had a 'brainwave' so looked again at that image this morning.

It actually says 'MARRIED' 9/11/08 !!!!!!! ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Mystery over ;-)

Dea x

AustinQ, Your posts occurred while I was typing my reply so I hadn't seen them. Yes the WWI pension info is the critical piece, thanks. 'Marrie S' is 'Married' in 4Q1908.

Yes, Frank is Alfred & Barbara's son - see http://www.stoner.org.uk/stoner2008/Ft2z.html#M324. Clicking on the marriage link M1106 and then the mother's maiden name Hudson shows Frank's family - I now have to add daughter May. Charles was born before that marriage so you have to scroll up a line to see him - and clicking on his marriage link. The Cawley marriage and family is at http://www.stoner.org.uk/stoner2008/Fc2d.html#M1529 and Eileen's marriage is seen by clicking on the M2264 link. If he was widowed by 1930 there should be a Pearl death between 1927 and 1930 but I can't see one. Tomorrow perhaps!

Many thanks, Alan

Seems there was a possible daughter to the Stoner/ Cawley marriage.

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
Stoner Eileen M Cawley Brighton 2b 239
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and a possible marriage for Eileen in 1949:

First name(s) EILEEN M
Last name STONER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1949
Spouse: ALEC S CLARKE
District HOVE
County Sussex
Volume 5H Page 668
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Eileen died in 1990:
First name(s) EILEEN MARIE
Last name CLARKE
Gender Female
Birth day 29
Birth month 9
Birth year 1927
Death quarter 1
Death year 1990
District BRIGHTON
Register number 190
County Sussex
Volume 18 Page 255
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This appears to be her on the 1939 register- she is under the name McCawley:

Clarke (McCawley) Household 56 Eastern Avenue , Hailsham R.D., Sussex, England
Eileen M Clarke (McCawley) 29 Sep 1927 Female At School Single

There are 3 closed records before Eileen and three after
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When I type the address into the 1939 register, these also appear at the same address:

McCa?Uley Household 56 Eastern Avenue , Hailsham R.D., Sussex, England
Annie McCawley 08 Dec 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Widowed
Patrick McCawley 14 Feb 1916 Male Licenced Taxi Cab Dri Single
1 closed record ('at school' just visable)
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Annie was Annie Swift, she married Frank McCawley- I found them on the 1901 & 1911 census but I don't see a daughter 'Pearl' with them
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Eileen had a daughter, Eileen in 1950. Likely marriage for daughter Eileen in 1969- and is listed on the 2014 electoral register in Hove.

Given that May Barbara was his daughter, this looks likely for Frank in 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Church Street, Brighton, Sussex, England

Alfred Stoner Head Married Male 39 1842 Dyer Easebourne, Sussex, England
Barbara Stoner Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Uckfield, Sussex, England
Emily Stoner Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Alice Stoner Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Kate Stoner Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Annie Stoner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Frank Stoner Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Ellen Stoner Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Louisa Stoner Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Emma Edwards Servant Single Female 18 1863 Domestic Servt Hartfield, Sussex, England

and marriage for Alfred:

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Stoner
Name note -
Age 26
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 22 Apr 1867
Marriage place Brighton
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Stoner
Spouse's first name(s) Barbara
Spouse's last name Tester
Spouse's age 240000
Spouse's birth year 1843
Spouse's birth date 1843
Spouse's father's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's father's last name Tester
Residence Brighton, Sussex, England
County Sussex
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Alan- see my previous post re Frank's military file (on FMP), it confirms that May Barbara is his daughter.

Apologies for delay in responding. BT had sent everything to the online spam folder.

1939 - someone speculated that columns were transcribed by different people and the results merged. As noted, the names, dates of birth, and households have slipped a column, so Charles is in a different household, Elizabeth has his birth date, and Basic has his mother's, etc..

Charles is definitely (from the m/c I mentioned) Charles Henry with father Frank.

Thanks for the 6/10/1876 birth date for Frank. I knew the 1939 register said 1876, conflcting with the 1911 census, but this is more specific and matches the December 1876 baptism I had assumed was him.

So yes, it looks as though father-in-law guessed the ages, Frank as 40 instead of 44, Charles Henry 6 instead of 9, and maybe Nancy 2 instead of Annie 6. Unless it was the suggested May Barbara S N E Stoner 30/3/1909 at 3 Bath Street in 1939 who is not obvious in 1911and I think the only Stoner I've come across with five forenames. That's an interesting possiblity. I wonder whether the N was for Nancy.

Thank you all for your contributions. If you are still looking for puzzles, I said Charles Henry's 1930 m/c showed him as a widower. He was born in 1902 so unless he married in 1918, the only other candidate Charles H Stoner marriage was to Pearl E Cawley in 1925.

About whom I have so far found nothing.

Thanks again,

Alan

So it looks as thought May Barbara born 1909 is the correct daughter- perhaps the N is for Nancy??

Unsure who the Marrie/ Massie S is- the date appears to be wrong if May was born a few months later?!

A little information from Frank Stoner's military file:

First name(s) Frank
Last name Stoner
Age 43
Birth year 1876
Birth town Brighton
Birth county Sussex
Birth country England
Service number T/254613
Regiment Royal Army Service Corps
Unit / Battalion 369th (Machenical Transport) Compnay
Year 1919
Residence town BRIGHTON
Residence county Sussex
Series WO 364
Series description WO 364 - First World War pension claims
Archive The National Archives

Address on file: 21 Regent Street, Bighton, Sussex
Next of kin: Wife- May Violet Linda Stoner, 3 Rod Cross Street, Brighton

Marrie S 09.11.08
Charley H 28.09.02
May B N E 30.03.09
Frank A G 18.12.15

Thanks AustinQ - using FMP transcript he shows as Ave Charles Stones!! No wonder he didn't show up.....but the writing on the original is a bit iffy.

Oh yes, I've a Nancy in my family- born Annie.

Just to confirm that Alec Charles is not correct as he appears on the 1911 with parents Charles John and Fanny Maria.