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In 1911 at 49 Regent Street Brighton Sussex are
George Hudson Head 1853 58 Male Married
Elizabeth Hudson Wife 1864 47 Female Married
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Frank Stoner Son-in-law 1871 40 Male Married Billiard Marker Brighton, Sussex
May Stoner Daughter 1885 Female Married 8 2 2 0 Waitress Fulham, London, England
Charles Stoner Grandson 1905 6 Male school Brighton, Sussex
Nancy Stoner Granddaughter 1909 2 Female school Brighton, Sussex

It says Frank and May have been married 8 years, with two children.
In fact the marriage was in 4Q1908, Frank Stoner to May Linda V Hudson Brighton,
and May's birth
1Q1885 Hudson May Linda V Fulham 1a 302

Charles is presumably (although he'd be 8 in the census not 6)
Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
Hudson Charles Henry Steyning 2b 259
but so far I haven't identified Nancy, or what became of her.

1911 has her aged 2 and at school which looks a little odd. Might she be Annie Elizabeth HUDSON, 4Q1904 Brighton who is not obvious in 1911?

Suggestions welcomed.

When Charles Henry marries in 1930 he is a widower and his father is shown as Frank Stoner, billiard maker, matching the 1911 census. I think the census should have Frank's age at 45 as I have eliminated the alternative Franks. My version of the family is listed at http://www.stoner.org.uk/stoner2008/Fg2h.html#BNF104

Alan

Just putting this up as a possible going by mother's first name.

First name(s) MAY BARBARA S N E
Last name STONER
Birth year 1909
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BRIGHTON
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 211


and a possible marriage. I know it is a very long shot.


First name(s) MAY B
Last name STONER
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1936
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MAY B STONER married
LEVI R ALIANDRO
Spouse's last name ALIANDRO
District BRIGHTON
District number -
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 691

1939 for them. She is still called May so most probably not Nancy.

3 Bath Street , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
May Aliandro (Alexandro) 30 Mar 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 98 2
Levi Alexandro 22 Oct 1910 Male Flour-Layer Married 98 1


EDIT Hang on there!! The family above them are Frank and May Stoner! What are the chances?



3 Bath Street , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frank Stoner 06 Oct 1876 Male Billiard Maker & Club Assist Married 97 1
May (L V) Stoner 05 Jan 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 97 2
Alfred Stoner 18 Feb 1915 Male Painter & Decorator Single 97 3

There are 2 closed records under this family and 3 closed records under May and Levi.

My gt aunt was Annie Ethel, always known as Nance. This one should probably have been 3 by the time the 1911 census was taken, but maybe not by much? Perhaps the grandparents gave the ages...

???
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name STONER
Birth year 1908
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BRIGHTON
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 2B
Page 183
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

A December birth 1907, may well have been registered Q1 1908

Marriages Dec 1933 (>99%)
Annie Stoner // Bernard S Trott Brighton 2b 712

??England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name TROTT
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 12
Birth year 1907
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1983
District BRIGHTON
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 0262

Birth for Alfred, above in the 1939 Register?

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)

Stoner Frank A G Hudson Brighton 2b 395

Charles Henry's wife in 1939.

102 Chester Terrace Chester Terrace , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Elizabeth J Stoner 29 Sep 1902 Female - Married 364 1
Basil A Stoner 23 Sep 1910 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 364 2
Ronald Edwards 12 Sep 1882 Male At School - 364 5

This is a strange one as the transcript actually reads
Charles H Stoner 29 Sept 1902 married
Elizabeth J Stoner 23 Sept 1910 married

the next 3 records are closed and Elizabeth has been scored through and See Page 35 written beside it.

???????

Could Charles be Alec Charles - not seeing an Alec on the 1911, but there is Charles showing as born 1905. Age out again slightly 1911

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Stoner Alec Charles Brighton 2b 205
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1939 Register
Stoner Household (2 People)
36 Dominion Road , Worthing M.B., Sussex, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Alec C Stoner 12 Sep 1905 Male Grover Glass House Manager Married 2 1
Irene F Stoner 01 Aug 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 2 2

Also 3 closed records
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Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1971 (>99%)
STONER Alec Charles 12Se1905 Worthing 5h 2438

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https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

Stoner Alec Charles of 48 Lavington Road, Worthing died 31 January 1971 Administration (with Will) Brighton 16 April

EDIT - Alviegia has edited her earlier post (of 2214) having done further work on May and Levi - so I think my ????'s are probably redundant - will leave for now.

First name(s) LEVI RAFFAELO
Last name ALIANDRO
Gender Male
Birth day 22
Birth month 10
Birth year 1910
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1998
District BRIGHTON
District number 4521D
Register number D1B
Entry number 063


First name(s) MAY BARBARA S N
Last name ALIANDRO
Gender Female
Birth day 30
Birth month 3
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1996
District BRIGHTON
District number 4521C
Register number C56A
Entry number 109

I'd agree with greyghost and say that the birth of Annie Stoner in Brighton wopuld be the most likely for Nancy.

Nancy is a well known nickname for someone called Ann or Annie.

Kath. x

Oh yes, I've a Nancy in my family- born Annie.

Just to confirm that Alec Charles is not correct as he appears on the 1911 with parents Charles John and Fanny Maria.

Thanks AustinQ - using FMP transcript he shows as Ave Charles Stones!! No wonder he didn't show up.....but the writing on the original is a bit iffy.

A little information from Frank Stoner's military file:

First name(s) Frank
Last name Stoner
Age 43
Birth year 1876
Birth town Brighton
Birth county Sussex
Birth country England
Service number T/254613
Regiment Royal Army Service Corps
Unit / Battalion 369th (Machenical Transport) Compnay
Year 1919
Residence town BRIGHTON
Residence county Sussex
Series WO 364
Series description WO 364 - First World War pension claims
Archive The National Archives

Address on file: 21 Regent Street, Bighton, Sussex
Next of kin: Wife- May Violet Linda Stoner, 3 Rod Cross Street, Brighton

Marrie S 09.11.08
Charley H 28.09.02
May B N E 30.03.09
Frank A G 18.12.15

So it looks as thought May Barbara born 1909 is the correct daughter- perhaps the N is for Nancy??

Unsure who the Marrie/ Massie S is- the date appears to be wrong if May was born a few months later?!

Apologies for delay in responding. BT had sent everything to the online spam folder.

1939 - someone speculated that columns were transcribed by different people and the results merged. As noted, the names, dates of birth, and households have slipped a column, so Charles is in a different household, Elizabeth has his birth date, and Basic has his mother's, etc..

Charles is definitely (from the m/c I mentioned) Charles Henry with father Frank.

Thanks for the 6/10/1876 birth date for Frank. I knew the 1939 register said 1876, conflcting with the 1911 census, but this is more specific and matches the December 1876 baptism I had assumed was him.

So yes, it looks as though father-in-law guessed the ages, Frank as 40 instead of 44, Charles Henry 6 instead of 9, and maybe Nancy 2 instead of Annie 6. Unless it was the suggested May Barbara S N E Stoner 30/3/1909 at 3 Bath Street in 1939 who is not obvious in 1911and I think the only Stoner I've come across with five forenames. That's an interesting possiblity. I wonder whether the N was for Nancy.

Thank you all for your contributions. If you are still looking for puzzles, I said Charles Henry's 1930 m/c showed him as a widower. He was born in 1902 so unless he married in 1918, the only other candidate Charles H Stoner marriage was to Pearl E Cawley in 1925.

About whom I have so far found nothing.

Thanks again,

Alan

Alan- see my previous post re Frank's military file (on FMP), it confirms that May Barbara is his daughter.

Given that May Barbara was his daughter, this looks likely for Frank in 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Church Street, Brighton, Sussex, England

Alfred Stoner Head Married Male 39 1842 Dyer Easebourne, Sussex, England
Barbara Stoner Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Uckfield, Sussex, England
Emily Stoner Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Alice Stoner Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Kate Stoner Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Annie Stoner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Frank Stoner Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Brighton, Sussex, England
Ellen Stoner Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Louisa Stoner Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Brighton, Sussex, England
Emma Edwards Servant Single Female 18 1863 Domestic Servt Hartfield, Sussex, England

and marriage for Alfred:

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Stoner
Name note -
Age 26
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 22 Apr 1867
Marriage place Brighton
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Stoner
Spouse's first name(s) Barbara
Spouse's last name Tester
Spouse's age 240000
Spouse's birth year 1843
Spouse's birth date 1843
Spouse's father's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's father's last name Tester
Residence Brighton, Sussex, England
County Sussex
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Seems there was a possible daughter to the Stoner/ Cawley marriage.

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
Stoner Eileen M Cawley Brighton 2b 239
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and a possible marriage for Eileen in 1949:

First name(s) EILEEN M
Last name STONER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1949
Spouse: ALEC S CLARKE
District HOVE
County Sussex
Volume 5H Page 668
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Eileen died in 1990:
First name(s) EILEEN MARIE
Last name CLARKE
Gender Female
Birth day 29
Birth month 9
Birth year 1927
Death quarter 1
Death year 1990
District BRIGHTON
Register number 190
County Sussex
Volume 18 Page 255
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This appears to be her on the 1939 register- she is under the name McCawley:

Clarke (McCawley) Household 56 Eastern Avenue , Hailsham R.D., Sussex, England
Eileen M Clarke (McCawley) 29 Sep 1927 Female At School Single

There are 3 closed records before Eileen and three after
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When I type the address into the 1939 register, these also appear at the same address:

McCa?Uley Household 56 Eastern Avenue , Hailsham R.D., Sussex, England
Annie McCawley 08 Dec 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Widowed
Patrick McCawley 14 Feb 1916 Male Licenced Taxi Cab Dri Single
1 closed record ('at school' just visable)
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Annie was Annie Swift, she married Frank McCawley- I found them on the 1901 & 1911 census but I don't see a daughter 'Pearl' with them
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Eileen had a daughter, Eileen in 1950. Likely marriage for daughter Eileen in 1969- and is listed on the 2014 electoral register in Hove.

AustinQ, Your posts occurred while I was typing my reply so I hadn't seen them. Yes the WWI pension info is the critical piece, thanks. 'Marrie S' is 'Married' in 4Q1908.

Yes, Frank is Alfred & Barbara's son - see http://www.stoner.org.uk/stoner2008/Ft2z.html#M324. Clicking on the marriage link M1106 and then the mother's maiden name Hudson shows Frank's family - I now have to add daughter May. Charles was born before that marriage so you have to scroll up a line to see him - and clicking on his marriage link. The Cawley marriage and family is at http://www.stoner.org.uk/stoner2008/Fc2d.html#M1529 and Eileen's marriage is seen by clicking on the M2264 link. If he was widowed by 1930 there should be a Pearl death between 1927 and 1930 but I can't see one. Tomorrow perhaps!

Many thanks, Alan

From Austin's query posted above:


"Unsure who the Marrie/ Massie S is- the date appears to be wrong if May was born a few months later?!"

I had been wondering about that too and in the night I had a 'brainwave' so looked again at that image this morning.

It actually says 'MARRIED' 9/11/08 !!!!!!! ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Mystery over ;-)

Dea x