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I'm looking for the birth of Charles Henry STONER.

His death shows Charles Henry STONER 4Q1978 Surrey SW with dofb 29/9/1902.

He married Elizabeth J FRENCH as Charles H STONER in 1Q1930 Brighton.

1939 Register (using the image not the transcription which is confused) also has 29/9/1902. I'm told the address was in Chester Terrace, Brighton.

I'm one-naming so reluctant to buy his m/c which may or may not help.

Alan Stoner

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)

French Elizabeth J Storer Brighton 2b 420
Stoner Charles H French Brighton 2b 420

census 1911



Charles Stoner

England and Wales Census, 1911

Name Charles Stoner
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Sussex
Parish Brighton
Sub-District West Brighton
Registration District Brighton
Gender Male
Age 10
Birthplace Brighton, Sussex
Record Type Household

do you know his parents names

Interesting ...... there does not seem to be the birth of a Charles Henry (or H) in 1902, nor is there a Charles Henry born in Sussex or just England on the 1911 Census

The closest seems to be the following, but he was born in ca 1901

1911 Census

Name: Charles Stoner
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex
Civil Parish: Brighton
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County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 72 Princes Rd Brighton Sussex
Occupation: school
Registration district: Brighton
Registration District Number: 79
Sub-registration district: West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 81
Piece: 5128

Albert Stoner 33
Martha Stoner 34
William Stoner 11
Charles Stoner 10
Albert Stoner 8
Margaret Stoner 4/12


1901 Census

Name: Charles Stoner
Age: 1/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Albert Stoner
Mother: Martha Stoner
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
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Ecclesiastical parish: Brighton St Martin
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 01

Piece: 928
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 182

Albert Stoner 23
Martha Stoner 23
William Stoner 1
Charles Stoner 1/12
Frederick Stoner 20


The 1901 Census was taken on the night of 31 March 1901, and so that child was probably born late February or early March

I wonder if he knocked a couple of years off his age??????

1911 Census

Name: Henry Charles Stoner
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Battersea
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 I Block, Victoria Dwellings, Battersea Park Road, London S W
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 2154

Henry John Stoner 42
Emily Stoner 12
Henry Charles Stoner 11
William Matthew Stoner 8
Charles Stoner 44


??? this Henry Charles' birth registration and baptism

Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Stoner Henry Charles Wandsworth 1d 589


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry Charles Stoner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1899
Father's name: Henry Stoner
Mother's name: Annie Stoner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea All Saints
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-
Address:- 23 Trekington Road
Father occupation:- Packer


Name: William Matthew Stoner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1903
Father's name: Henry Stoner
Mother's name: Annie Stoner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea All Saints
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers




However, I'm afraid that you will have to get his marriage certificate to get his father's name and occupation. Plus the witnesses might also help

The Henry Charles Stoner died in 1937. And the Charles 1/12 in 1901 was Charles Thomas 1/3/1901, death 11/1986.

At least I've stablished that the 1939 transcription is rubbish. That helped. I've been in touch with a couple of grandchildren on genesre without any progress.

I don't know his parents' names, or where he was born - that would be too easy!

So it may have to join the unsolved, awaiting inspiration, pile.

Thanks for your time. Maybe someone else would like the challenge.

Alan

is this his wives death


ELIZABETH JANE STONER

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

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Country

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County

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Year

1977

Birth Year

1910

Event Quarter

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District

SURREY SOUTH WESTERN

Just for info:-
The original 1939 record shows
Charles H. Stoner born 29 Sep 02 and
Elizabeth J. Stoner born 23 sep 10
plus 3 closed entries.

Address N° 102 Chester Terrace, Brighton

Possible 1911 for Elizabeth:-

Name: Elizabeth Jane French
Age in 1911: 7/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex
Civil Parish: Preston
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County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 6 Robertson Road Preston Brighton
Registration district: Steyning
Registration District Number: 80
Sub-registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 129
Piece: 5154
Household Members:
Name Age
Amos French 28
Frances French 26
Caroline Ann French 3
Esther Rose French 2
Elizabeth Jane French 7/12

looks like there was only one child born to Charles and Elizabeth in 1931

Yes, they are Elizabeth Jane French's 1911 and death entries.

And just one child, Basil Henry, shown on the the transcription with his mother's date of birth. I managed to allocate the other fourteen 'French' births to different families.

This is what the 1939 record actually looks like:-

Elizabeth J Stoner 29 Sep 1902 Female - Married 364 1
Basil A Stoner 23 Sep 1910 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 364 2
Ronald Edwards 12 Sep 1882 Male At School - 364 5

This has obviously been mistranscribed as Elizabeth has Charles' date of birth and son Basil, whose record should be closed has his mothers date of birth.

Ronald Edwards is also an error as it states he was born in 1882 and yet he is still at school?

so where is Charles on the 1939 could he be serving in the war

IF Elizabeth was born in 1910, and Charles Henry was really born in 1900 ............. then that is one of the most common reasons for someone to change their age to make the difference look smaller :-D

Charles is at the Brighton address!


The actual image for the 1939 shows ...............

Charles H Stoner 29 Sep 1902 Male ----
Elizabeth J Stoner 23 Sep 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties

Address:- 102 ditto ........

I can't see the address of the street as you cannot go back one page, but the transcript shows Chester Terrace

The heading to the transcript says Stoner Household (3 names)

There are 3 blocked names (people under age), then the next household (who also live at the same address); the first person there was Minnie H A (cannot read surname) born 1909, domestic servant and she is also shown as Occupant no. 1.

The interesting thing is that Elizabeth's name is crossed out in a pinkish-red pencil and the note "see page 35" added in the far right column. I do not know what that means or where to look



Note:- there are often mistakes between the image and the transcript because each COLUMN was transcribed by a different person, and then it was all put together, so it could be easy to slip up or down a line.

The line is right through Elizabeth's row but above the writing so may just be splitting the page, for whatever reason.

As mentioned above, the image has Charles as 1 in household 364. Elizabeth is 2. Basil is 3 (although blacked out he's in the transcription because he has his mother's age) then two still unknowns. I'm told Ronald Edwards is adjacent in the transcription but eight pages away on page 36 of the original - not even on the pink page 35!

Surname for Minnie H A was Parke.

Chris :)

??Baptism date same as birth.
Charles Henry Stoner baptised 29/9/1895 at Tillington Essex by William and Eliza Stoner.

Maryb.

Looks to be Tillington, Sussex, from 1901...

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
William Stoner Head Married Male 37 1864 Gardener (Domestic) Tillington, Sussex, England
Eliza Stoner Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Lurgashall, Sussex, England
Agnes Mary Stoner Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Petworth, Sussex, England
Florence Mary Stoner Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Petworth, Sussex, England
William G Stoner Son Single Male 8 1893 - Petworth, Sussex, England
Charles Hy Stoner Son Single Male 5 1896 - Tillington, Sussex, England
Frederick J Stoner Son Single Male 2 1899 - Tillington, Sussex, England
Upperton, Tillington, Midhurst, Sussex,