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Baptism may give a clue

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Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:24

Just looked back at the 'Fores' line and they appear to be from Yorkshire & Nottinghamshire.

Here is William's Grandfather:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiston, Upper, Whiston, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

John Foers Male 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Foers Female 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
James Foers Male 15 1826 Yorkshire, England
Benjn Foers Male 12 1829 Yorkshire, England
Charles Foers Male 12 1829 Yorkshire, England
Hannah Foers Female 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
John Foers Male 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
Willm Foers Male 6 1835 Yorkshire, England
Thos Foers Male 1 1840 Yorkshire, England

Jane

Jane Report 26 Aug 2016 05:25

Wow,

Thanks again and you have found the Italian link, super, this will keep me busy for ages........

Thankyou again.


Jane X.


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Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 05:43

Here is Joseph


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
144, Newgate Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

John Drury Head Married Male 58 1803 Agricultural Labourer Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Drury Wife Married Female 58 1803 - Yorkshire, England
Henry Lister Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Job Drury Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Coal Miner Gateford, Nottinghamshire, England
Patience Drury Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Israel Drury Son - Male 7 1854 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Mary Ann Taylor Servant ... Female 32 1829 - Yorkshire, England
James Smith Lodger Widower Male 33 1828 Agricultural Labourer Hertfordshire, England
Herbert Culp Lodger Married Male 25 1836 Moulder Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Culp Lodger Married Female 27 1834 - Lancashire, England
Richard Rhodes Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 ... Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Rhodes Lodger Unmarried Male 16 1845 ... Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
... Cruthers Lodger Married Male 41 1820 Agricultural Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Harriett Cruthers Wife Married Female 38 1823 Agricultural Labourers Wife Warwickshire, England
Mary Cruthers Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
... Cruthers Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ellen Cruthers Daughter - Female 13 1848 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Edward Foy Lodger Married Male 25 1836 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
William Wright Lodger Married Male 36 1825 Agricultural Labourer Ruskington, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Wright Wife Married Female 41 1820 Agricultural Labourers Wife Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
John Foy Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Cordwainer Ireland
Arnold Previn Lodger Married Male 32 1829 Upholsterer Ireland
John Smith Lodger Married Male 37 1824 Bricklayer & Slater Ireland
Ellen Smith Wife Married Female 37 1824 Bricklayers Wife Ireland

Joseph Battesti Lodger Married Male 22 1839 Coal Miner Italy <<<<<<
Sarah Battesti Wife Married Female 20 1841 Coal Miners Wife - York
Joseph Battesti Son - Male 1 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

George Foreman Lodger Married Male 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer Wardington, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Foreman Lodger Married Female 26 1835 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
John Foy Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Wood Sawyer Ireland
Michael Smith Lodger Married Male 81 1780 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
Thomas Herbert Lodger Unmarried Male 41 1820 Wheelwright Ireland
Henry Goodingham Lodger Married Male 42 1819 Engraver Bath, Somerset, England
Alexander Smith Lodger Married Male 40 1821 Umbrella Maker Norwich, Norfolk, England
George Ward Lodger Married Male 42 1819 Cutler Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 07:19

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady and St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 26 Apr 1893
Person forename William
Person sex M
Person abode 40 Lowtown St
Father forename Charles William
Father surname FORES
Father occupation Miner
Mother forename Annie

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(you can find more relating on above, free to use, tick 'Soundex' for surname variants!)

Chris :)


Edits (wondering about below)

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
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LATOIR Ambrose Worksop 7b 24


(notes Brother John had below Son)

Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 26 Feb 1884
Person forename Ambrose
Person sex M
Person abode Worksop
Father forename John
Father surname BATTISTE
Father occupation Collier
Mother forename Mary Ellen


Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady And St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 748
Burial date 04 Mar 1884
Person age 2w
Burial person forename Ambrose
Burial person surname BATTISTE LE TOUR
Burial person abode Worksop


Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Battiste Le Toir Ambrose Worksop 7b 31
Le Toir Ambrose Worksop 7b 31


Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Battiste-Le-Toir Ambrose 0 Worksop 7b 22
LE TOIR Ambrose Battiste 0 Worksop 7b 22


(Ambrose Father of Lilly)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name St John
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 398
Marriage date 26 Jul 1891
Groom forename Ambrose
Groom surname BATTISTE
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Grafton Street
Groom occupation Wood Turner
Bride forename Matilda
Bride surname BLOWER
Bride age 18
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Prospect Place
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname BATTISTE
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Philip (deceased)
Bride father surname BLOWER
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness George Peet
Witness Sarah Ann

Gee

Gee Report 26 Aug 2016 07:43

Chris

Can you find a marriage between Joseph Battiste & Sarah?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 08:10

Was looking around at Joseph on 'google', seems to be a problem that!...(others not having!)

(notes Sarah A. comes from your way Gins, lol, think if it came to it, the 1870 Ambrose Birth Cert. would be needed)

Chris :)

(below looks to be John)

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------
BATTIST John Worksop 7b 25


(and Burial of the son Joseph on 1861, notes he was born Lancs.)

Burial
County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church name Our Lady And St Cuthbert (Priory)
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 114
Burial date 01 Sep 1861
Person age 1
Burial person forename Joseph
Burial person surname BATTIST
Burial person abode Worksop


Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Battiste Joseph 75 Worksop 7b 34


Deaths Mar 1926 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
Battiste Sarah A 85 Worksop 7b 35


1911 (Find My Past)
Joseph Battisle Head Married Male General Labourer 73 1838 Genoa Italy
Sarah Ann Battisle Wife Married Female - 70 1841 Sheffield Yorks
Albert Battisle Son Single Male Coal Miners Filler Belowground 29 1882 Worksop Notts
Address 15 Grafton St Worksop
Parish Worksop
County Nottinghamshire
Census reference RG14 PN20225 RG78 PN1211 RD427 SD1 ED4 SN312
(says Married 52yrs, 10 children born, 6 living, 4 died)

Dea

Dea Report 26 Aug 2016 13:18

A tree on Ancestry suggests that Sarah's maiden name is Rowbotham but I see no proof of this and no marriage for her to Joseph.

I found this Sarah Rowbotham on 1851 which would appear to fit ?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Smith Field, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rowbotham Head Married Male 37 1814 File Cutter Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Rowbotham Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Thorne, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Rowbotham Daughter - Female 15 1836 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Sarah A Rowbotham Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Wadsley, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Joseph Rowbotham Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
William Rowbotham Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England


Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Aug 2016 13:27

Ooh!, hold on, one for you here Dea, Manchester, lol...(just this minute found!, been 'niggling' me all morning this has!)

Edits (if can be found online, that is!)

Chris :)

22 May 1908 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

ITEMS OF LOCAL INTEREST.
Today Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Battiste, Grafton Street, Worksop, celebrate their Golden Wedding. They were married at St. Chad's Roman Catholic Church, Manchester, on 22nd May 1858, and for 48 years Mr. Battiste has been employed by Shireoaks Colliery, near Worksop, since leaving which he has been employed by Worksop Urban Council. He is a native of Genoa, Italy, but has resided in England since he was 15.
Mrs. Battiste is a native of Sheffield, her maiden name being Rowbotham. She is 68 years of age, whilst her husband is nearly 71, and both are very active and well preserved. They have six children surviving, 22 grandchildren and 2 great - grandchildren.

Dea

Dea Report 26 Aug 2016 16:02

Thanks Chris - at least that is proof then......

Unfortunately I know of no records online for that particular church, although I do believe that they are held at Lancashire Records Office.

Strangely though, I can't see anything of this marriage on either Lancs BMD or on FreeBMD.

Dea x