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(looking at that link, relates to below, son of Fred and Lucy on 1901 I posted earlier, they had Elizabeth Gertrude, born 1898 Lambeth)
Chris :)
Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
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CUFF Sidney Redvers B Warminster 5a 147
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CH says, re the Fenwick 1911 she posted, that there were 10 live births and 3 deaths, which I guess are these:
Births
1881q3 Fenwick George William Auckland 10a 162
1884q1 Fenwick Mary Jane Auckland 10a 191
1886q1 FENWICK Joseph Auckland 10a _86
1888q1 FENWICK Sarah Elizabeth Auckland 10a 198
1890q2 Fenwick Susannah Auckland 10a 232
1892q1 Fenwick Gertrude Auckland 10a 226
1895q3 Fenwick Margaret Ann Auckland 10a 264
1897q3 Fenwick Thomas Naisbitt Auckland 10a 236
1905q1 Fenwick Elizabeth Ann Auckland 10a 232
1907q4 FENWICK Thomas Nesbit Auckland 10a 230
Deaths
1897q4 Fenwick Thomas Naisbitt 0 Auckland 10a 105
1907q4 Fenwick Thomas Neabit 0 Auckland 10a 149
1908q4 FENWICK George William 27 Auckland 10a 146
All the following marrs took place in Auckland RD - i've appended the quarter of rego - I've looked them up on the Durham local indexes to ascertain who wed whom:
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Geoge W[William]
Year: 1903[q1]
Other index entries for this marriage:
POWELL, Sarah E[Elizabeth]
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Joseph
Year: 1908[q1]
Other index entries for this marriage:
SLEETH, Meggie
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Mary J
Year: 1909[q3]
Other index entries for this marriage:
TURNER, Robert
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Susannah
Year: 1909[q1]
Other index entries for this marriage:
PRATT, John
By the 1911 census, there are 2 Sarah Elizabeth Fenwicks
We can see this is Geo's widow remarrying:
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Sarah E
Year: 1911[q3]
Other index entries for this marriage:
BROWN, Thomas W
POWELL, Sarah E
and this must be Geo's sis:
Marriage certificate for:
Name: FENWICK, Sarah E
Year: 1911[q4]
Other index entries for this marriage:
WALTON, John
Susannah Prat named her son after her recently deceased older bro, as did bro Joseph:
Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
FENWICK George William Auckland 10a 216
I don't have any sub, but this looks like Joseph in 1911:
[rg14/29740 - Ancestry has name as Fenwick]
Joseph Penwick 1886 Durham Hunwick Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
Margaret Penwick 1886 Durham Lands Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
George William Penwick 1909 Durham Hunwick Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
and this looks like Gert, working as a servant:
[rg14/25913]
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Registration district Parish County
Henry Hartley 1871 Yorks Skipton in Craven Knaresborough Harrogate Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Lillie Hartley 1873 Yorks Newby with Mulwith Knaresborough Harrogate Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Walter Hartley 1901 Yorks Harrogate Knaresborough Harrogate Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Annie Irene Hartley 1904 Yorks Harrogate Knaresborough Harrogate Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Gertrude Fenwick 1892 Durham Hunwick Knaresborough Harrogate Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Finally, this looks like sis Mary:
[rg14/29741]
Robert Turner 1877 Leadgate Durham Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
Mary Jane Turner 1884 Hunwick Durham Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
George Robert Parkinson 1889 Tylands Bridge Durham Auckland Hunwick and Helmington Durham
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John says he was born in Witton Park which, as you probably know, was in the Hamsterley Subdistrict of Auckland RD
Although Hunwick was in Bishop Auckland Subdistrict, it's just 3km to NE, across the Wear. There are a couple of possible births for John:
Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
PRATT John Auckland 10a 208
Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Pratt John Auckland 10a 183
My guess is we want the 1887 birth.
Our John is 4/14 in 1891/1901 if his father is Michael.
He's living in Witton-le-Wear in 1891, then across the river and even closer to Hunwick in 1901.
He's not with Michael in 1911 (but we know he's with Susannah a=24).
1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WFLM-W3Z
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSH2-16G
1911 [rg14/29742]
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Registration district Parish County
Michael Pratt 1860 Swaledale Yorkshire Auckland Newton Cap Durham
Elizabeth Prtt 1865 Coundon Co Durham Auckland Newton Cap Durham
Joseph Prtt 1891 Howden Le Co Durham Auckland Newton Cap Durham
Russell Pratt 1895 Howden Le Co Durham Auckland Newton Cap Durham
Elizabeth Pratt 1896 Howden Le Co Durham Auckland Newton Cap Durham
James Cherry 1886 Plumley Hiil Co Durham Auckland Newton Cap Durham
Marriage certificate for:
Name: PRATT, Michael
Year: 1886[q3]
Other index entries for this marriage:
DAVISON, Elizabeth
Here's John, arriving in Canada:
Ship:SCOTIAN
Shipping Line:Allan Line Steamship Co.
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Liverpool, England Moville, Ireland
Date of Departure: 1911-05-06 1911-05-07 1911-05-08
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Que. Montreal, Que.
Date of Arrival: 1911-05-16 1911-05
Year:1911
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4775
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:5589
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003569088.jpg
[John is headed for Chamberlain SK - he says he was a miner, but intends to take up farming.]
Canada's census nominal dates were 24/6/1906, then 1st June thereafter, so John was certainly in Canada in time for the 1911.
He had plenty of time to be in Chamberlain Sk if he went directly there, but whp knows what he actually did.
I can't find him in Chamberlain, but I don't know if he would get enumerated if he were on a train.
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It wasn't unusual for a male member of a family to go out first, get stuff like jobs and accomodation sorted, then send for the rest of the family.
Anyway, here's Gert, Susannah and wee Geo coming out.
Given Name(s):Gertrude
Surname:Fenwick
Age:19
Ship:CANADA
Port of Arrival:Quebec City
Date of Arrival:1911-10-00
Year of Arrival:1911
Microfilm Reel Number:T-4782
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:3492518
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003574549.jpg
Gertrude is headed for Vancouver - she intends to be a Domestic Servant.
[If you checkpiece 25913 in the 1911 census, Gert is a Servant with the Hartley h/h down in Yorks.]
3 pages later, there's Susan Pratt, off to see hubby in Chamerlain Sask, along with Geo W a=1.
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e143/e003574552.jpg
Name: PRATT, JOHN
Regimental Number: 432746
Date of Birth: 14/01/1885
Reference:RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 7956 - 28
Item Number:586502
John attested 12/7/1915 in Edmonton - wife Susannah is n.o.k.
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc014/588210a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc014/588210b.gif
As of 15/8/16: Latest box digitized: Box 5410 and Larocque.
They're doing abt 300 boxes per m, so it'll be abt 8 m before his service record is digitized and posted.
He's not listed as dead on CWGC. Anyway, in 8m time check at
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/canadian-expeditionary-force.aspx
Once you've gotten his service file, you can see which unit he served in.
He would probably do abt 6m basic training in Canada, then a further 3m in England before going to France.
In France, each unit kept a War Diary, which detailed on a day by day basis what the unit was doing.
The WDs for most units are online at LAC.
You might also check out Nicholson's:
Official History of the Canadian Army in the First World War: Candian Expeditionary Force, 1914-1919 1964 Nicholson, G.W.L.
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/his/oh-ho/index-eng.asp
Incidentally, John's dob of 14/01/1885 doesn't look right although the pob (Witton Park) looks OK.
My experience is that folk might lie abt the year, but they rarely lie abt their b'day, so I would guess dob was really 14/1/1887.
I would guess the whole family was out of the country before the 1916 prairie census.
John's service record would say if he went back to Canada and was denobbed there, or if he elected to be demobbed in the UK.
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1921 - 570 Hornby St is really right downtown - the Art Gallery is just a couple of blocks S at 750 Hornby
I'll pm a copy of the 1921 image - 1921_018-E002874888.jpg
As I read it, Suman Pratt probably is Susana Pratt. She immig 1911, like Gert.
In BC, births are closed from 1904 on/for 120y (whichever's shorter) - since my kids are living adults, neither I nor my wife has a right to access them, even though we're both named on them.
Deaths are closed for 20y, and marrs for (I think) 85y.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy
A look up of Cuff deaths gets Fred, Gert and George (the son who rego'ed his parents)
A look up of Cuff marrs gets Gladys
A look up of Caff marrs gets Fred & Gert
[Christ Church Cathedral is also right downtownm 4 blocks E of Hornby, and a block nearer the harbour than 570]
I didn't look up Klein.
Neither did I trawl thru city directories, but if you fancy that, they're online until 1950-ish via:
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/
A phone look up for Cuff in the Langley area got 4 hits, see:
http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/cuff/Langley%2C%20BC/
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Hello Alison,
My name is Brent Cuff. My grandfather was George W Cuff. His mother and father were Fred and Gertrude Cuff (Jessie Fenwick). I happened upon this post as I was researching info found using ancestry.ca to build my family tree. I found the travel records from Oct 1924. When I started looking up Hunwick Lane Ends, Durham England I found this post at got goosebumps.
The Cuff's on my side still reside in Vancouver. I'd love to meet you and exchange info.
Sincerely,
Brent Cuff. George's youngest grandchild.
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Welcome to the boards, Brent.
Although it's only a year since Alison posted here last, she may not be looking for more replies now.
Try contacting her by clicking on her name at the top of one of her posts, and sending a private message via the GR system.
GR will notify her that there's a message from you.
Please remove your email address from your post - it's against thread rules, and isn't advisable anyway, for your own sake, as this is a public site. Not a good idea for the whole world to know your address!
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You can find Fred and Gertrude's actual death certs here:
Fred's death cert:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/bd0e689d-4471-4688-8eb3-e5e53508bf80
Gertrude's death cert:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/895e7466-0d53-41e5-9126-25af4fce3975
Strangely this gives her mother as 'Margaret' but this could, of course, have been an error.
Dea x
EDIT: OOoops! - I knew there was some reason why I didn't post this a couple of hours ago when I found it - this is an old thread ! ;-) Anyway, I will leave it here in case it is of any use to the new poster, Brent......
Dea x
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Thanks Dea x! This is great info. My grandfather was the son who signed. The address listed on Gertrude's certificate was where he died. One thing I've come to understand is the old records have lots of typos.
Finding this post makes me can't believe how small the world is. I'm really hoping Alison looks at this.
Have a good one.
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