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I am helping a friend ( Roy aged 81 years & a little vague about his family ) look for his Grand parents (his fathers parents ) He told me his parents were Edward Freeman & Alice Tolhurst & lived in Kent which I found below
I have looked on the census, 1939 Register , Ancestry & on here but nobody seems to be searching this family, he told me his father died young he was hit by a reversing truck at his work.

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Freeman Edward P Tolhurst Lewisham 1d 2042
Tolhurst Alice G Freeman Lewisham 1d 2042

I have been able find Alice G Tolhurst family her parents were Alfred Tolhurst 1856-1928 & Alice Jane Sivyer 1858-1932, so really looking for the Freeman family if anyone can help it would be very much appreciated & Roy will be very happy.
Thank You Ellen

1939 Register

Freeman Household (2 People)
151 Harcourt Avenue , Chislehurst and Sidcup U.D., Kent, England

Alice G Freeman 17 Jan 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 168 2
2 more people who are officially closed
Edward C (looks like a 'P') Freeman 11 Jun 1902 Male Motor Driver Mechanic Married 168 1
2 more people who are officially closed
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ALICE GRACE FREEMAN

Birth day 17

Birth month 1

Birth year 1907

Death quarter 1

Death year 1989

District BEXLEY

Register number 289

Volume11
Page434

Edit: Just checked the census and the above is incorrect. Alice was born 1902

edit (again) Looking at what others posted and Edward' birth Q, this may well be the right couple

Birth?

Births Sep 1902

Freeman Edward Percy Lewisham 1d 1235

Death?

Deaths MAR 1964
Freeman Edward P. aged 61 Surrey M E 5G 761

Just typing up Probate

Freeman Edward Percy of 151 Harcourt Avenue Sidcup Kent died 18 March 1964 at St Helier Hospital Carshalton Surrey Administration 11 May 1964 to Alice Grace Freeman Widow £3530

Found this to back up 1907 birth

Name: Alice Grace Tolhurst
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: St Olave Bermondsey
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 211

Have you got the correct Tolhurst because this is for the 1907 birth - 1911 census family living 58 Holmshaw Rd, Lower Sydenham, Lewisham

Age
Frederick Thomas Tolhurst 41
Flora Ellen Tolhurst 35
Alice Grace Tolhurst 4
John Robert Tolhurst 2
Emily Frances Tolhurst

Suggest you buy the marriage cert to find out who is Alice's father as well as Edward's. I would take the date given by Alice in 1939 as the correct 1 as I can't see a reason to take 5 years off her age in 1939.

This maybe Edward 1911 census

Frank Ford 36
Maude Beatrice Ford 30
Ivy Elizabeth Ford 2
Beatrice Ford 9/12
Edward Freeman 9

Son crossed out and relative added. Address 25 Meon Road, Acton W




marriage of Frank Ford last quarter 1907 Brentford


Name
John Caplin
------------------Frank Ford
------------------Beatrice Maud Freeman
Horace Lewis
Edith Mary Pullen

Possibly Edward on the 1911 census........

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Edward Freeman in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward Freeman
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 58 West Terrace, Fairlawn Park, Lower Sydenham S E
Registration district: Lewisham

Household Members:

James Freeman 67 (Labourer) City of Norwich
Martha Freeman 48 Ramsgate
William Freeman 22 Forest Hill
Rose Freeman 21 Forest Hill
Lucy Freeman 12 Forest Hill
Edward Freeman 8 Forest Hill

James and Martha married 28 years......8 children born, 5 living, 3 had died.



Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Freeman James Lewisham 1d 1607
LAMBERT Martha Lewisham 1d 1607

Like that Prickles as it's round the corner from the Alice I found in 1911 :-)

Marriage

2 Dec 1907, St Mary's,
Groom Frank Ford aged 33 Bachelor Occ Laundry Proprietor Address 94 Avenue Rd, Acton
Father Stephen Ford Occ Retired Laundry Proprietor
Bride Beatrice Maud Freeman aged 26 Widow Address 49 Mill Hill Road, Acton
Father Charles John occ Estate agents clerk

Witnesses Have Hamilton & William Frederick Hamilton

Looks like we've found 2 possible sets of parents for each person. Edward and Alice's marriage cert would help a great deal.

This one fits in age and place - his father is James:

Name: Edward Freeman
Age: 3
Birth Date: 12 May 1902
School: Holy Trinity School
Borough: Lewisham
Admission Date: 19 Jun 1905
Parent: James
Notes: Holy Trinty School (0228) opened in or before 1887
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV07/HOL/AD/002
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Address - 13 Clyde Place

Dea x

EDIT - It also fits with the James + Martha family found and posted above......................


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Clude Place, Lewisham, London, England - (image looks like CLYDE Place as on school details but wrong house number ??)

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Freeman Head Married Male 55 1846 General Laborer Norwich, Norfolk, England
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Martha Freeman Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Ramsgate, Kent, England
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James Freeman Son Single Male 15 1886 - Forest Hill, Kent, England
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William Freeman Son Single Male 12 1889 - Forest Hill, Kent, England
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Roslin Freeman Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Forest Hill, Kent, England
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Lucy Freeman Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Forest Hill, Kent, England

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Marriages. Dec 1901

Freeman Edward Brentford 3a 261
Wilbraham Beatrice Maud Brentford 3a 261

Wonder whether it's the husband of Beatrice Maud that died young?

Deaths Dec 1901

Freeman Edward aged 28 Brentford 3a 43

They wouldn't long have been married!

You could be right Londonbelle as 61 isn't young but he would be very unlucky to be hit by a truck in 1901 wouldn't he?

If it's James Freeman as father he's 67 in 1911 so he didn't die young so where's the dying young? We could be here a long time with this 1 :-)

Morning Pat ~~~~~~~~~ :-)

Morning Prickles :-)

The Edward who died in 1901 was buried 16 Nov 1901 at St Nicholas, Chiswick the same area as the Edward (mother Beatrice Maud) was born; 1911 Census in Post 08:22

Thank you everyone, I knew I would get help from you.
I have spoken with Beryl Roy's wife she tells me Alice Grace Tolhurst was born 17/1/1907 not 1902 as previously told to me.The death of Edward Percy in 1964 is correct going by the Probate details .
It appears I have Alice Grace's parents wrong so thank you for that
I wonder who Beatice Maud Freeman is possibly an aunt will check this out.
I will speak with Roy & suggest he purchase Alice Grace & Edward Percy marriage which will give us the fathers names.
Thank you everyone for your help as I wasn't getting anywhere
Ellen