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ArgyllGran,
Success ! I think I was probably putting in too much information . Thanks

(that is below, Cole mother Maiden Name)

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
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BURGESS Lilian E Cole Wisbech 3b 870


(then check for possible Marriage Burgess/Cole)

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Burgess George R T Cole Wisbech 3b 1393
Cole Florence V M Burgess Wisbech 3b 1393


(from below link, free, which we use a lot here!)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


I was checking Camdex website for Births (covers Cambs. again, free to use)

https://www.camdex.org.uk/search.cfm

Chris :)

(the 2 Baptisms for Wisbech, St. Augustine come from 'Cambridgeshire Baptism Index cd', you then need to see that Parish Register for further details)

The result comes up with no problem for me, Tigsmum.

Just select birth record, then enter Burgess, and Lilian, and 1914, then click Search.

(Actually, no need to enter "Lilian".)

Chris,
I agree entirely about your ability to find newspaper articles !!

You say you found Lilian E Burgess, born 1914, in the Cambridge Index but I can't find any record. What am I doing wrong !! If its a basic error I'm making it might explain why my research has been so laborious.

Tigsmum have sent a message ( see messages at top of page) re something not directly connected to your search for Alice, that I came across, and as it involves a possibly living person thought it better to send privately.

Nosey or not.........you come up with great information.

;o)) x

(more like I'm a nosey ol' devil!, lol)

Chris :)

Chris

You are seriously amazing at finding newspaper articles!!!

Prickles. ;o))

National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find my Past)

First name(s) RACHEL
Last name BURGESS
Birth year 1858
Death year 1918
Age 60
Burial year 1918
Burial day 26
Burial month 9
Place WISBECH
Church description MOUNT PLEASANT MUNICIPAL CEMETERY
Church denomination CEMETERY
County Cambridgeshire


16 October 1880 - Thetford & Watton Times and People's Weekly Journal

LYNN.
Job Burgess, Terrington Marsh, labourer, was charged with having been drunk when in charge of a team of three horses on the Saturday market place the previous evening. Prisoner was discharged on payment of 2s 6d fine and 12s expenses incurred.

(also others for being drunk!)

Chris :)

(you probably have below Baptisms)

1906 Alice Louisa. Wisbech, St. Augustine

1911 Archibald William. Wisbech, St. Augustine


edits (article looks to relate to Job below, 1881 Census, Terrington Marsh, Norfolk, if your one)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Stradsett
Church name St Mary
Register type Transcript
Register entry number 270
Baptism date 25 May 1862
Birth date 24 Apr 1862
Person forename Job
Father forename William
Father surname BURGESS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah

I'm just utterly "gobsmacked". You've given me more information in an afternoon than I've managed to dig up over months . How do you DO that!!
The only down side to this is that I shall now have to order several more certificates !

My brain is totally scrambled now so I shall leave it for the moment. I am so, so grateful to you all for your amazing help. I shall be back! :-) :-)

Sadly mother Rachel was also in the workhouse 1901 and 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First name(s) Rachel
Last name Burgess
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widow
Sex Female
Occupation Formerly Domestic Cook
Age 53
Birth year 1858
Birth place Norfolk Great Ringstead
Address Lynn Road Wisbech
Parish Wisbech St Peter
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Wisbech
Registration district number 187
Enumeration district 8
District number -
Sub district Wisbech
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN9302 RD187 SD2 ED8 SN9999
Piece number 9302
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

I was trying to find Elizabeth in 1901 just in case who she was with gives any clue to father of children, but it doesn't

1891 with mother

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lillystone Yard, North Brink, Wisbech St Pete, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England


Rachel Burgess Head Widow Female 32 1859 - Ringstead, Norfolk, England Transcription
Elizabeth Mary Burgess Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Terrington St Clement, Norfolk, England

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Market Place, Wisbech St Peter, Wisbech St Peter (Isle of Ely), Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England

William Hall Head Married Male 38 1863 Saddler Holbeach, Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Frances Edith Hall Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Outwell, Norfolk, England Transcription
William Nathaniel Hall Son Single Male 11 1890 - Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Percy Ed Hall Son Single Male 8 1893 - Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Dorothy Hall Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Frank Steward Lane Visitor Single Male 4 1897 - Shepherds Bush, Middlesex, England


First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Burgess
Relationship Servant
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 17
Birth year 1884
Occupation Domestic General
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed TILNEY ALL SAINTS
Birth county Norfolk
Birth county as transcribed NORFOLK
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) WILLIAM, FRANCES, PERCY, DOROTHY, ELIZABETH, FRANK
Other household member last name HALL, BURGESS, LANE
Street Market Place
Town Wisbech St Peter
Parish Wisbech St Peter (Isle of Ely)
City -
Country England
County Cambridgeshire
Municipal ward South
Registration district Wisbech
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1555
Folio 80
Page 13
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Apologies there!, I thought it was an 'unknown' from Australia, getting muddled I think.

Bet Cherilyn (Australian helper) on below would like to have a 'nosey' around also!, if you want to ask her, try on below, she might be able to delve further!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1198324

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1360768?d=asc

(give her above, this is your 'Thread' from here, so she can read details so far)

Chris Ho

02/03/1915 Joseph Edward Flowers,bachelor, 36 years old (?can't read) labourer
Elizabeth Mary Burgess spinster, aged 31 , general servant
address for both given as 6 Tallents (?) Buildings, Water Lane, Newark

I don't understand your reference to the HMS Hampshire website, which certainly has a connection with my Dad but to the best of my knowledge Flowers was his stepfather.

Just for ref Florence B Flowers in 1939, widow, later married Ellis.

Davis Household (2 People)
"Brompt House" Highfields Lane , Spalding R.D., Lincolnshire (Parts of Holland), England

Florence B Elleis (Flowers) 12 Aug 1884 Paid Housekeeper

John T Davis 17 Mar 1872 Sewer Foreman Spalding Urban District Counci

Would like to know all details from 1915 Marriage Cert....

Chris :)

http://www.hmshampshire.co.uk/

(looks to be above)


edits (from Australian Newspapers, 2 so far, searched by hms hampshire)

G F Flexman (dated 5th June 1941)

Ernest Frederick Flexman (inserted by his sister, Gladys Dance, and Chum) The Brisbane Courier Qld. Monday 7 June 1926 (probably same as GF)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y


Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Dance Arthur F C Flexman Reading 2c 1220
Flexman Gladys Dance Reading 2c 1220


Births Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Flexman Gladys Edmonton 3a 408

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Flexman Ernest Frederick Pancras 1b 188

(possibly above)

Yes Elizabeth died in 1918 and Flowers subsequently re-married in 1922.
I'm sorry if I've not given you all the info I have but initially my post was to try to find more about Alice.
This is now very exciting because it occurs to me that the person who nominated them in Queensland could actually be the childrens' ( Alice and William/Archibald) father ! The only thing I ever knew about him was that my Dad said he"went down with Kitchener" i.e. HMS Hampshire so if I can find a connection between the nominator and HMS Hampshire (I know of that website) there's just an outside chance he might be my grandfather"" :-D

Tigsmum said he remarried in 1922:

???
Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
Flowers Joseph Chamberlain Boston 7a 1115
CHAMBERLAIN Florence B Flowers Boston 7a 1116

One of the page numbers is mistranscribed.
EDIT: It's Joseph's page number which is wrong. I've added a postem.

Are you sure Elizabeth died 1918...

Chris :)

07 April 1923 - Lincolnshire Standard and Boston Guardian - Boston

DEATH.
We regret record the death of Mr. Joseph Edward Flowers, of 10, Threadneedle Street which occurred at Boston Hospital early on Friday morning subsequent to an operation for appendicitis. He was 46 years. The family mourners were, Mrs Flowers (widow) Mr. J. Flowers (brother) Mr. and Mrs. Charles Smith, Mrs. Bishop and Mrs. Storr.


Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
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Flowers Joseph Edmund Peterbro' 3b 238

(if above)

Rambling Rose

I didn't know of the existence of Rachel Flowers !! I haven't searched for any connections on that side so far, as I know my father hated him.
It's all beginning to fill in the picture, Thank you