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My Nan was born in Youghal Country Cork. Ellen Fitzgerald 25th Nov 1907. I know her parents names ( James Fitzgerald and Ellen Mangan )but that is all. She came to England and went into service and never returned to Ireland. So I don't have much info to go on and would be very happy if someone could help me.

Thank you Karen

there are so many ellen fitzgerald's in uk do you know where she worked in England
does she have a middle name?

found this

Ellen Fitzgerald
New York, New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957


birth:

1907

Ireland


immigration:

1928

New York, New York, United States

What is it you are trying to find out Karen?

If you wish to work backwards, then you need her parents' marriage certificate.

Ellen Mangan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun, 1900
Registration district: Youghal, Ireland
Volume: 4
Page Number: 426
FHL Film Number: 101259


Records on Page:
Name
Bridget O'Donnell
**********************Ellen Mangan
Declan Kennedy
Mary Ellen Ryan
Patrick O'Callaghan
Patrick Callaghan
**********************James Fitzgerald

Her mother's birth?

Ellen Mangan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Registration district: Youghal
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 883
FHL Film Number: 101058

Maybe her parents in 1901



Ellen Fitzgerald
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Penders Lane
District: Youghal Urban
County: Cork
Household Members:
Name Age
James Fitzgerald 33, Tailor, b. Co. Cork
Ellen Fitzgerald 21

The information that I have is as follows:

Ellen Fitzgerald born 25th Nov 1907 in the District of Youghal County Cork.
Parents James Fitzgerald ( Tailor ) Diocese of Cloyne Parish of St Mary Youghal that James Fitzgerald was baptised on the 9th May 1867
Parents William Fitzgerald
Mary Regan
Sponsors Dennis Lynch

Ellen Mangan baptized same Parish but on the 12th April 1881
Parents Peter Mangan
Elizabeth Shanahan
Sponsors Michael Hennessy
Hanna Hennessy.

My nan went into service in England when she was either 11 / 12yrs old. She never returned to Ireland married my Grand dad in Willesden on the 24th Dec 1936. I have no idea if she had any siblings or when her parents were born married or died.

Karen....

The Baptismal and Marriage Registers for Youghal do not cover the time period for James Fitzgeralds marriage to Ellen Mangan or her Baptism. Baptismal Reg.only goes to January 1881...James' will be in there somewhere but I haven't had time to check.

I have found 2 Managan children Baptised prior to Ellen (1881)

Catherine Mangan 4 June 1876 Parents Peter Mangan and Elizabeth Shanahan.
Godparents Jim Sullivan and Kate Shanahan

Patrick Mangan 18 Feb 1879 Parents Peter Managan and Eliz.Shanahan
Godparents Thomas Keefe and Brid.Cox

At the time of Patricks Baptism they were living Curtins Lane Youghal
The link below is for the RC Register for Youghal

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0100

Her parent's Marriage (Roman Catholic):

Date of Marriage: 03-Jun-1900
Parish / District: YOUGHAL
Husband: James Fitzgerald
Husband's father: William Fitzgerald
Husand's mother: Mary Regan
Wife: Ellen Mangan
Wife's father: Peter Mangan
Wife's mother: Elizabeth Shanahan

Witness 1: Edward Norris
Witness 2: Catherine Dycaer
Notes: 2ND WITNESSES NAME PET NAME [KATE]

Census Years1901
Residents of a house 3 in Careys Lane (Youghal Urban, Cork)

Mangan Elizabeth 50 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork House Keeper No - Married -
Mangan Bridget 13 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork Domestic Servant Read and write - Single -
Mangan Christina 15 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Cork Domestic Servant Yes - Single -

Karen.. Am crossed eyed looking at the Registers but have found 2 more children for Peter and Eliz. Have not located their marriage but if it was in Eliza.' Parish then we may need to look at another Register.

1871 29 December
Mangan Eliza.
Parents Peter Mangan and Eliz.Shanahan
Godparents Thom.Finn and Cath.Savage

1874 3 May

Mangan Margaret

Parents Peter Mangan and Eliz Shanahan
Godparents Michael Barrett and Mary Pumphrey

I know this is not helping with your grandmother so far but going back then coming forward often can find a link.
So far I cannot locate either Elizabeth Shanahan Mangan 1911Census of Ireland
or any of the others .

From Family Search.org

Very uncommon to be known as Betty but the other children also listed on the site with mother named "Betty"


*Betty* Shanahan

mentioned in the record of Thomas

Name Betty Shanahan
Gender Female
Husband Peter Mangan
Son Thomas



Name Thomas
Gender Male
Christening Place 1037, YOUGHAL, CORK, IRE
Birth Date 12 Jun 1867
Birthplace Youghal, Cork, Ire
Father's Name Peter Mangan
Mother's Name * Betty* Shanahan

Thank you all for your help it is appreciated and very helpful :-)

I'm hoping to hear more on my Grand mothers family :)

Karen..Do you mean from members on here...??


I have no idea why Elizabeth Shanahan's Christian name became "Betty" on Family Search as it is transcribed in the Baptismal Reg. for all children as Eliza. Thomas' Godmother was Elena Barry.

I mean any information I get from yourself or others it is very much appreciated on my Grand mothers family in Ireland.

Karen...Have you a copy of your grandmothers Marriage Cert.and if so who were the witness' ? also where did you get the details relating to the Baptism's (20.June 09.44)?

The further back I go the more complicated this is getting.....although I believe its possibly the fault of the PP at the time .

I located Thomas' Baptism and went looking for the marriage of Peter Mangan and Eliza.Shanahan....this is what I found..

Feb 26 1866
Peter Mangan son of Peter Mangan and Ellen Curtin married BRIDGET Shanahan daughter of Patrick Shanahan and Mary (Looks like) Broderick
Witness' Michael and James/Jane Slack

Peter was listed as living Clonard (doesn't state East or West) Brid.Redbarn the Slack's also lived Redbarn.
Peter's parents lived Ballycotton and Brids. Cork Lane.

How Bridget became Eliza . I have no idea but following through and cross ref. I can find no children born to a Peter Mangan and Brid .Shanahan.
Why I think its possible the PP may have made an error is because it was often common practice for them to fill in the Registers after the event and he may simply have forgotten or mixed up the mothers Christian name with someone else...Peters surname is also written on some of the entries..as Manning...

Hello yes I have a photo copy of my Grand mothers wedding certificate to my Grand dad the witnesses were : C Fitzgerald and J.J. Taylor .
My mums late brother got photo copies of the Baptisms from someone he knew.

Karen.
Does it say on the Wedding Certificate if Ellen's father was deceased ?
The C Fitzgerald may well have been Christina you should be able to confirm this or not by checking the Church Register normally it is signed in the full name of witnesses.

Does the Baptismal Cert. give any indication of Godparents.