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thanks a MILLION ArgylleGran will try and further trace on the children/grandchildren of Ivy. Still confused about James.L.YOung 1901 stating Uncle for he was the son of Emily.J. and Samuel Young or am I missing something!!
To enable to find what happened to this family (youngs) I might post another thread for anyone in Canada to see if any living relatives/descendants from the info you have provided. I think somewhere from some correspondence we have (years old) the name Ryecroft is mention and we thought it was a place but it seems its a surname so might be a connection there.
thanks once again

ArgylleGran sorry just noticed re uncle of Ivy. James Lawrence I was reading it as James.Lawrence Young 1901 So it seems that Emily.Jane also had a sibling named James alongside many others but didn't have that one on my list. Now ive sussed it.
thanks again.

There are actually several trees on Ancestry, showing this family - but full of mistakes.

One of them says that Emily J died 27 October 1938, Winnipeg, but doesn't offer any record as proof.

But another says she died 8th November 1925, Winnipeg - also with no proof.

Different trees list different siblings for Emily J.
One tree has mixed her family up with another family of Lawrences, in Gloucestershire, so gives some correct siblings and some wrong ones.

One says James was a half-sibling - but doesn't give details of his parents.
Take it with a pinch of salt!

Some mention Emily J's first marriage - some don't.

Trying to track down James - he's not with the family in 1861, 1871 or 1881:


I wonder if this is Emily J's mother in 1891?

Jane Laurence
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Jane Laurence
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: Hereford
Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4438
Folio: 127
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lermer 50
Jane Laurence 52 - widow, living on own means


But I can't see Charles's death, unless this is it, with age a couple of years out:

Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
Lawrence Charles 67 Aston 6d 199

I wonder if this is relevant in any way?

This James was born in the same place as Emily J's father Charles.

He's clearly not a brother of Emily J - but maybe some sort of cousin, described as uncle on Lily May's travel document ??

James William Lawrence
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James William Lawrence
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Marden, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Winslow
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: The Gardens, Rowden Abbey, Bromyard
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Bromyard
Registration District Number: 339
Sub-registration district: Bromyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 15791
Household Members:
Name Age
James William Lawrence 44
Lizzie Lawrence 42
Lilly Lawrence 12
Harry Lawrence 10


James William Lawrance
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James William Lawrance
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Lizzie Lawrance
Birth Place: Marden, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Winslow
Ecclesiastical parish: Bromyard St Peter
Town: Winslow
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Bromyard
Sub-registration district: Bromyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2489
Folio: 63
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James William Lawrance 34
Lizzie Lawrance 32
Lily Lawrance 2
Harry Lawrance 2/12


James William Laurence
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: James William Laurence
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lizzie Laurence
Gender: Male
Where born: Marden, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4387
Folio: 79
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
James William Laurence 24 - gardener
Lizzie Laurence 22


Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
Lawrence James William Hereford 6a 970
MUNN Lizzie Hereford 6a 970

For info of anyone following this thread -

Brummie46's other thread re the Winnipeg family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1360439

and then of course there is this one

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1360269

and I'm not going to try to figure out what the connection is ...

JoonieCloonie the connection between both threads is that the people looking for originate from the Lawrence line, but children were from two different fathers.