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19 May 2016 13:37 |
This could be a complete red herring but I think these children are actually grandchildren and I wonder if they have been listed with the wrong surname or perhaps the mother remarried an Iverson?
1871
Name: Emily Cousens Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Cousens Mother's name: Mary A Cousens Gender: Female Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Clapham County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth Sub-registration district: Clapham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 116 Piece: 696 Folio: 14 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age William Cousens 70, PLASTERER Mary A Cousens 50 Louisa Cousens 8 Lydia Cousens 7 Emily Cousens 4 Albert Cousens 1
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19 May 2016 13:39 |
I have also been looking at that one Roots but I couldn't seem to link it up :-S :-(
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19 May 2016 13:42 |
Same family in 1851 - so William and Mary had plenty of children who may be a parent of those children in 1871
Name: William Cousens Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Cousens Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St John Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 178 Piece: 1468 Folio: 854 Page Number: 46 Household Members: Name Age William Cousens 45 Mary Cousens 40 William Cousens 22 George Cousens 18 Emma Cousens 16 Eliza Cousens 14 Edward Cousens 10 Jane Cousens 9 Elizabeth Cousens 5 SAVE & CREATE TREE Cancel
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PricklyHolly
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19 May 2016 13:56 |
???
Louisa Iverson in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Louisa Iverson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1862 Mother's name: Mary Ann Iverson .....Single Woman Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham Holy Trinity Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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19 May 2016 14:50 |
Emily Cousans J/F/M 1867 Wandsworth V1d P536.
The Louisa baptised 3/9/1862 was born 7/4/1852. according to baptism record.
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JoonieCloonie
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20 May 2016 00:50 |
Emily Cousens/Cousans is too good a match ... I think I would get that birth certificate to see whether the DOB matches the 1939 info for Emily Iverson Bonnett ... and whether mother was Iverson ...
1871
William Cousens 70, PLASTERER Mary A Cousens 50
1851
William Cousens 45 Mary Cousens 40
in 20 years, he aged 25 years and she aged 10 ...
might she be not the same Mary? and the younger children were hers as the single Mary Ann Iverson?
but even still she is a little old in 1871 for the children to be hers ... unless her age was rounded well up too.
where are these people in 1861??
aha
Name: Amelia Iverson Age: 8 Estimated birth year: 1853 Relation: Daughter > user has added: 'Source says Daughter in law but think this is wrong too' >> 'daughter-in-law' means *stepdaughter* Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Clapham Registration district: Wandsworth County/Island: Surrey Country: England
William Cussans 46 >> plasterer Mary D Cussans 30 >> born St Clement Danes Amelia Iverson 8
Births Dec 1852 Iverson Amelia Wandsworth 1d 365
>>>> so that is the missing link --- Mary Ann Cousens in 1861/1871 was in fact Mary Ann Iverson
The 1871 Mary Cousens was born in St Clement Danes but was '50' in 1871 ... which is not likely
I think this is not the 1851 Mary Cousens ... children of that marriage grown and gone, William now partnered with the new Mary Ann -- Iverson
Ancestry is refusing to allow me to view any images so I can't verify names, occupations, etc. edit - Ancestry let me in, so to confirm: William Cussans in 1861 was a plasterer and - the address in both years was Bramwell(s) (Rd)
the note was added in March 2016 so you could contact that person through Ancestry
Paul, you have the census info but nobody else had ... the census details are essential for use in searching and that is why they have been posted here.
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20 May 2016 01:18 |
Births Mar 1864 CUSSANS Lydia Wandsworth 1d 457
Births Dec 1865 (died in infancy?) Cussans Male Wandsworth 1d 458 ... yes Deaths Dec 1865 Cussans Male Wandsworth 1d 30*
Births Mar 1870 (in 1871 census aged 1) Cussans Albert Wandsworth 1d 532 ... and sadly Deaths Jun 1871 Cussans Albert 1 Wandsworth 1d 403
Births Sep 1874 ? Cussans Charlotte Alice Wandsworth 1d 612 ... no, in 1901 she is the daughter of a William and Alice couple, him born c1849 Chatham
1851?
Name: Mary Iverson Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Niece Where born: London, England Civil Parish: Battersea County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth James Fuller 42 Mary Iverson 21
she is the only Iverson shown at Ancestry in Wandsworth in 1851
fits with birth of Amelia who was stepdaughter of William Cussans in 1861:
Births Dec 1852 Iverson Amelia Wandsworth 1d 365
only other record for the name:
Marriages Dec 1878 IVERSON Amelia Strand 1b 1005
and yes that is her - in 1881:
Name: Amelia Dillon Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Henry Dillon > Where born: Clapham Civil Parish: Marylebone County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 101 Carlisle St Marital Status: Married Registration district: Marylebone Henry Dillon 28 - painter's labourer Amelia Dillon 29 Henry Dillon 1
1901 in Clerkenwell:
Henry Dillon 48 Amelia Dillon 49 Henry Joseph Dollon 20 Christopher Dollon 19 Minnie Dollon 18 Alice Maud Dollon 16 Frank Dollon 9 Edith Eliza Dollon 3
so you may have quite a lot of half-rellies now
possibly the death of the first Mary Cousens?
Deaths Mar 1859 Cousins Mary Wandsworth 1d 311
the Mary Cussans in 1861, with daughter Amelia, and in 1871, being Mary Ann Iverson
leaving the question of why the younger children including Emily took her surname ...
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20 May 2016 02:19 |
just a weak-ish possibility for Mary Ann Iverson Cousens after 1871
Marriages Mar 1886 xCHILDS Ellen Wandsworth 1d 630 COUSENS Mary Ann Wandsworth 1d 630 Humphreys John Wandsworth 1d 630 xMUHL John George Wandsworth 1d 630
ruled out the other couple, in 1891 census, so this Mary Ann Cousens married John Humphreys
1891 ??
Name: Mary Humphreys Age: 63 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Humphreys Where born: St Luke, London, England Civil Parish: St George the Martyr County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: London Road
John Humphreys 65 clerk of works or >> builder's foreman Mary Humphreys 63
also in 1881
Name: Mary Ann Humphreys Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: John Humphreys Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
John Humphreys was born in Billesdon, Leicestershire, and I can't find him in 61 or 71 to see whether this couple was already married
(edit - after Paul replied - I did find John Humphreys in 1871; he was recorded as married but no wife present (possibly his previous marriage prevented a marriage to Mary Ann Iverson 'Cousens' until his first wife had died, was my suspicion; see below now, putting it here to keep info together)
Name: John Humphrey (image says Humphreys) Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Lodger Where born: Billesdon, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: London Road occupation: builder's foreman marital status: married
here he is in 1861 with first wife
Name: John Humphery Age: 36 Estimated birth year: 1825 Relation: Lodger Spouse's Name: Mary Humphery - 33, born Bethnal Green Where born: Leicestershire, Middlesex, England (it says Billesdon, Leicestershire) Civil Parish: Lambeth St Mary County/Island: Surrey Registration district: Lambeth occupation: bricklayer
in 1901 he is in Scalby, Yorkshire, builder's foreman, aged 76, again as Humphrey, reporting widowed ... if he and Mary Ann Iverson Cousens (if that was her!) had separated he might have reported widowed from his first marriage ...
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Deaths Dec 1916 ? Humphreys Mary A 87 Wandsworth 1d 700
possibly ...
Deaths Sep 1878 COUSENS William 62 St. Saviour 1d 119
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JoonieCloonie
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20 May 2016 06:28 |
this Ann Iverson in 1841
Name: Anne Overson -- corrected by an unrelated user to Anne Iverson Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Sarah Overson 55 Anne Overson 15 dressmaker Charlotte Overson 15 dressmaker Mary Ann Welsh 25
was here in 1851
Name: Ann Iverson Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Inmate > Where born: St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court ED, institution, or vessel: Strand Union Workhouse
could be a sister ... but unfortunately it seems
Deaths Dec 1853 Iverson Ann St Pancras 1b 25
and this could be Mary Ann in 1841 in the Tooting Infant Parochial Establishment 'Drouets establishments for pauper children of metropolitan parishes' Wandsworth & Clapham
Name: M A Iverson Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 not born in county Gender: Female Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney Hundred: Brixton (Western Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth Sub-registration district: Streatham
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3H1-TKM
Name Sarah Iverson Gender Female Christening Date 16 Sep 1810 Christening Place SAINT CLEMENT DANES, WESTMINSTER, LONDON, ENGLAND Birth Date 11 Aug 1810 Father's Name Edward Iverson Mother's Name Sarah
and I wonder
Deaths Mar 1838 Iverson Sarah Wandsworth &c. 4 468
... actually, that Sarah (daughter of Sarah and Edward) could be Mary Ann's mother ...
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Paul
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20 May 2016 10:04 |
Thank you Joonie Cloonie very much. I am going to go through it and then order Emily Cussans Birth Cert.
Thank you every one for your help.
Kind Regards Paul
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JoonieCloonie
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20 May 2016 10:07 |
pretty spiffy, isn't it? :-)
teamwork!
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JoonieCloonie
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20 May 2016 17:51 |
so hey, the rest of you chaps - I came along lately and read all your stuff and obsessed over it for quite a while and came up with a story - so what do you all think? ;)
missing link found, fingers crossed
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rootgatherer
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20 May 2016 22:53 |
Well done Joonie! That all looks good to me.
Paul as the helpers on here are a nosey lot, can you please let us know when the birth certificate arrives and if the DOB tallies with the 1939 register. Fingers crossed :-)
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PricklyHolly
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20 May 2016 23:08 |
Well done Joonie!!!
:-)
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Paul
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21 May 2016 09:42 |
Don't worry Rootgatherer I will let everyone know. This has been my brick wall for some time. Looking forward to knocking it down.
Paul
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JoonieCloonie
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21 May 2016 17:47 |
Good, Paul! Because then we would still have to figure out what became of William and Mary Ann, and why the two girls adopted her surname, even though their births were registered in his and he was apparently their father - and Emily acknowledge him as such when she made 'William Iverson, builder' her father when she married!
... and then why Lydia was using 'Iverson' when she witnessed Emily's marriage (as I think I understood that) ... it never ends :-D
Some of us have long experience with name shifters, and that is a bit of a classic case. An ancestor of mine adopted a surname other the one he was registered in, (possibly because his registered father was not his true father). But on his marriage certificate, he used his registered father's correct first name, along with his own adopted surname - just like 'William Iverson'.
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Paul
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22 May 2016 04:31 |
I have just ordered Emily Cousans birth Certificate. Thank you again everyone for your help. First time I have posted. And some lessons learnt.
Paul
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jun 2016 13:43 |
Paul has posted a follow-up on a new thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1360507
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Paul
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17 Jun 2016 01:50 |
This is now in the correct spot. Emily Iverson/Cousens Birth Certificate has arrived.
It is exactly as Joonie Cloonie said.
Big thank you to all
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