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that is indeed the 1939 household I was trying to look at Gins, and FMP has finally let me see it. I kept trying! but the site was down for a long time:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1359794

So that is for sure 'our' John Thomas Slaughter ... daughter Elizabeth Tolladay 1896 is Elizabeth Slaughter aged 14 in the 1911 census.

Births Dec 1896
Slaughter Elizabeth Frances A W. Ham 4a 210

And John reports 'married'.

Now I have to figure out what else is going on here. :-)

Joonie

Take a look at the image for that 1939 record. There is a blue ink mark in the section for 'marital' status where it declares John as being married

I cannot make out what it is?

Wow what a lot of information that you have found. John Thomas had left the money to his eldest son John Walter Slaughter bakery manager who was my grandfather, he was living in Southall at the time and died in March 1945 before i was born.
Charles Henry died in October 1914 in France, i have seen his name on The Menin Gate, he left his effects of £19.19s and fourpence to a Marion Facey. I was pleased to find that Alice was still around in 1907. John Thomas Slaughter was living in 1904 81 East Rd, 1911 24 East Rd, 1916 45 Saxon Rd,1940 30 Loxford Lane Ilford, he was buried with daughters Elizabeth Tolladay and Ann Jacques who had married Henry William Jacques in June 1918, on the marriage certificate Annies address was given as 12 Dorset Rd Upton Park and Henry also Dorset Rd possibly number 14.

Pamela

You don't happen to have Alice' full birth date do you?

odd mark Gins, looks like a left-leaning capital T written over the M ... or maybe rather under it. I doubt we could ever figure that out! I will vote random mark ... I don't think anyone checked up on marital status or anything.

so the question is: why did he report married?

did you notice the other Slaughters on the page? (different street)
Jessie, widow, 1881
Edward E, single, 1906
Harold E, single, 1909
are they coincidence?

1911
Edward Slaughter 29
Jessie Slaughter 29
Edward Slaughter 5
Harold Slaughter 1

coincidence it seems.


if Alice lived to 1969 the full dob could help find a death, but living to that age is against the odds.

it would certainly help to find her if she was living in 1939 though!

Yes Gins i do have her full birth date, it is 26th November 1871, she was born at 60 Charlotte Street Whitechapel, the certificate was registered on 5th January 1872. father unknown, her marriage certificate states father as John Hellings,gas fitter as we know this is untrue as John Hellings died on 25th August 1868 at 1 Carter St Bethnal Green, he was a non conformist aged 22 years.he was buried on August 28th 1868 in Hackney. I wondered if there are any Bastardy Bonds that may be available regards Ann and Alice, these would be helpful if they named the father of Alice.

Joonie
I believe that there were 2 Slaughter families in that area that were not linked, i certainly have not come across the ones that you have found in the other street.Many thanks for your researching, i am really grateful.

I have got a birth certificate for Edwin Alfred Hellings born March 14th 1899 at 5 Egleton Road, father John Robert Hellings general labourer, mother A Hellings, formerly McGregor. I think that i found the info on the rest of this family on websites. I must admit that i only followed this route in the hope that i would find my great grandmother, i am not really that interested in them, could you enlighten me please as to where 83 Rowley R is regarding John Robert Hellings death.

Burial Posted earlier with associated deaths

Deaths Sep 1910 (>99%)
Slaughter Alice 46 Barnet 3a 150
Slaughter Alice 36 Brentford 3a 27 <<< the one Pamela had found

It might be worth considering buying credits for Deceasedonline to view the burial register. Think the minimum spend is £5. If Pamela is lucky, it might give her last address or the place of death.

Sorry Det. Just read back and see that you already posted the grave record, I'll delete

Pamela

Check out deceased online using the advanced search facility, there are a few 'Slaughters' buried there. You might pick up on a name which might indicate that it is a 'family' burial place

'could you enlighten me please as to where 83 Rowley R'

Not sure what you mean by your request above?

Sorry was referring to the post referring to the death of John R Hellings March 1952 83 Rowley R 9b 342. I wasn't sure if it refers to an address or an area of the country.

I have just checked Deceased online, the burial in Islington Cemetery in 1910 is of Alice Slaughter who died in The Cottage Hospital North Finchley aged 46. I only purchased £5 voucher, there is another Alice buried at Camberwell Cemetery in December 1920, however the voucher had run out to see where she had died. Probably will have to obtain death certificates. Many thanks for the help and suggestions.

Pamela, that is the way the registration info appears at FreeBMD

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

when read with the headings there it means

John R Hellings
died March 1952
age 83
registration district Rowley R (Rowley Regis)
volume 9b
page 342.

it's the most succinct way of posting that info, copying it from freebmd, rather than some other sites that take up a whole monitor to say the same thing when posted here with all their spaces and disjointed lines and extraneous copyright info etc :-)

I was referring to the possible Robert Hellings in Kingswinford in 1901

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/rowley%20regis.html
(covers Kingswinford)

and to the fact that the age at death in 1952 exactly matched the quarter of birth of your John Robert Hellings

Births Jun 1868
HELLINGS John Robert Whitechapel 1c 361

i.e. in jan-mar quarter 1952, he had not yet had his 84th birthday

and there is no other birth that does match that death


edit

the 1939 register has

Homer Household (3 People)
17 Bent Street , Brierley Hill U.D., Staffordshire, England
Robert Hellings 09 Apr 1871 Male Furnace Fitter Single
George H Homer 31 May 1881 Male Iron Moulder Married
Gertrude Homer 26 Oct 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married

there is no birth record to match that 1871 birthdate

Just ordered the death certs for Alice Slaughter in 1910 Brentford and John R Hellings 1952 Rowley Regis, hoping this may be my Alice!!!