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I am trying to track down an Elizabeth Wallis who married Francis Brown in Hathern on 15/7/1822. There is an Elizabeth Wallis born in Hathern in 1807 which would be ideal but for the fact she died 8 Sept 1807. Can anyone hejp me?
Lelgeece

Your family in 1851 ?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Derby Road Golden Square, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Brown Head Married Male 56 1795 F W K (Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Elizabeth Brown Wife Married Female 57 1794 - Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Eliza Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 26 1825 Winder Of Cotton & C Hathern, Leicestershire,
Hannah Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1831 Winder Of Cotton & C Hathern, Leicestershire,
Thomas Brown Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 F W K (Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Fanny Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 F W K (Cotton) Hathern, Leicestershire,
William Brown Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Hathern, Leicestershire, England
Rosea Brown Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Hathern, Leicestershire, England

And the marriage - for our information

Francis Brown
mentioned in the record of Francis Brown and Elizabeth Wallis
Name Francis Brown
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Wallis
Event Date 15 Jul 1822
Event Place Hathern,Leicester,England

1851 census would appear to show her born rather earlier than you suggest
?
Name Elizabeth Wallis
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Apr 1794 <<<<<<
Christening Place HATHERN,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Death Date 08 Sep 1807 <<<<<<<
Father's Name William Wallis
Mother's Name Elizabeth
CITING THIS RECORD

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQYV-QYV : accessed 1 May 2016), Elizabeth Wallis, 20 Apr 1794; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 590,783.

EDIT - has someone mixed the 2 Elizabeth Wallis' up -

Elizabeth Wallis
England Births and Christenings
Name Elizabeth Wallis
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Jun 1807 <<<<<<<
Christening Place HATHERN,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Death Date 08 Sep 1807 <<<<<<<<
Father's Name William Wallis
Mother's Name Elizabeth
CITING THIS RECORD

? - Only because the marriage also shows in Hathern - there are other William/Elizabeth marriages in Leicestershire

William Wallis
mentioned in the record of William Wallis and Elizabeth Freeman
Name William Wallis
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Freeman
Event Date 02 Mar 1786
Event Place Hathern,Leicester,England
CITING THIS RECORD

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL3K-4WB : accessed 1 May 2016), William Wallis and Elizabeth Freeman, 02 Mar 1786; citing Hathern,Leicester,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 590,783.

http://goo.gl/nv9KIM

schroll down to 1794

Siblings ?? All Hathern baptisms

Sarah Wallis
christening: 4 November 1787
father: William Wallis
mother: Elizabeth

Ann Wallis
Christening Date 14 Jul 1805
Father's Name William Wallis
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Name William Wallis
Christening Date 01 Jun 1789
Death Date 28 Apr 1793
Father's Name William Wallis
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Name Thomas Wallis
Christening Date 08 May 1791
Father's Name William Wallis
Mother's Name Elizabeth

http://hathernhistory.co.uk/index.php/bmd

the 1794 christening greyghost posted seems perfect

If she was at least 3 weeks old when christened, she would have had her birthday by census day in 1851 and so age 57 would be exactly correct.

I've edited that post Joonie to include the 1807 birth and death that Linda mentions because the 1794 baptism also shows the same date of death and I wonder if somewhere along the line someone has been over zealous and put the death date next to both the right and wrong Elizabeth ?????

theres no elizabeth wallis death in 1807 hathern parish records deaths

well the absence of a burial record would seem to settle it

but yes greyghost I was agreeing for sure (I'd seen your edit there): even if there were a burial record, it's not likely two Elizabeth Wallis-s were buried on the same date in the same place. :-)

I wonder how many other people are mistakenly recorded as buried on that date in 1807 when they weren't??

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name BROWN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1794
Age 78
Death quarter 4
Death year 1872
District LOUGHBOROUGH
County Leicestershire
Volume 7A
Page 72
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Anchor Inn, Hathern, Loughborough, Leicestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Brown Head - Male 77 1794 - Leicestershire, England
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Elizabeth Brown Wife - Female 77 1794 - Leicestershire, England
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Hannah Brown Daughter - Female 36 1835 - Leicestershire, England
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William Brown Son - Male 31 1840 - Leicestershire, England
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Nahum Brown Grandson - Male 7 1864 - Leicestershire, England

Can't really help you but I have been there for Sunday lunch in the past !!

It's still there, though not quite so popular!!

Dea x

PM from Linda -

In 1851 Francis Brown and 2nd wife Ann nee Bowkett lived in Basford Nottinghams. Good try though.
What I am trying to do is sort out Francis's 1st wife - he is from Sheepshed 2miles from Hathern . Something must have sent Francis away from Shepshed between 1822 and 1828 when he married Ann in London - Ann was from London. I imagine something like deaths of wife and/or children. he was widower when he married Ann.

Please keep your answers to the thread Linda

So do you mean this family -

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wood Street, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Brown Head Married Male 41 1810 Chimney Sweeper Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England
Ann Brown Wife Married Female 50 1801 Seamstress Of Gloves London, Middlesex, England
Mary Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Seamstress Of Gloves Basford, Nottinghamshire,
Ellen Brown Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Seamstress Of Gloves Basford, Nottinghamshire,
Eliza Brown Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
John Jebson Servant - Male 9 1842 Chimney Sweepers (App) Arnold, Nottinghamshire,
John Bostock Servant - Male 10 1841 Chimney Sweepers (App) Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
Moses Bostock Servant - Male 9 1842 Chimney Sweepers (App) Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
Seth Richardson Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1829 Besom Maker Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England

Because if so I see the problem of Francis only being 12 when he married in 1822 !!

Marriage Banns for a Francis Brown Widower and Ann Bowkett Spinster both of this parish called 7th/14th/21st September

and the marriage you refer to

Francis Brown
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Francis Brown
Spouse: Ann Bowkett
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Sep 1828
Parish: Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Francis Brown remains in Wood Street between 1851 - 1871 at least.
1841 he is at Brigg Hill Lane, Basford b Notts

In 1871 he is a couple of years older than before but is consistently a Sweep and
b Sheepshead/Shepshed

It still doesn't make this Francis Brown old enough to have married in 1822

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wood Street, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Brown Head - Male 63 1808 - Leicestershire, England
Athelinda Clarke Housekeeper - Female 41 1830 - Nottinghamshire, England
Samuel Sellars Servant - Male 12 1859 - Nottinghamshire, England

One consistency in the cenus's for 1/841-1861 is the 10 year age gap with Elizabeth being the elder by 10 years which is rare even in the Cheetham Ancestry where the wives are mostly older but only by four years at most.

I'm not very happy about the 1871 cxensus but as yet have found no other.

It is certainly odd about the burials of Elizabeth Wallis on the same day but their burials need not have been in parish records.

Which 1871 census - there are 2 posted? And why not happy?

And re the 1851 Wood Street, Basford - you haven't said if that is correct

If so, then you haven't commented on Francis being unlikely to have married in 1822 as he would have been aged 14 at best with a 19 year old daughter in 1841.

Re your last post, do you mean Ann older by 10 years?

How have you got back to Francis/Ann/Elizabeth?