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Yes, a whole lot of them Desmonds!...(keep sane, lol)

Chris :)

Hi Chris,

I think the 1939 register John Desmond's death is the one in the village:

1946 Bedwellty aged 69. The ages would be perfect.

We have been through the AVL link for John and there are no useful records which give his dependants on signing up which would have clinched it.

The gap in the nee Walsh births would fit perfectly with army service.

I have posted for help on our bigger village site and someone has come back tonight who's brother worked with Tommy Desmond. (Thomas) in the pits.

He is going to try and contact him to see if he can provide any clues.

Thanks for your help, please don't give up...lolol I haven't although I will be sectioned shortly.

Sue

(so probably below then)

Chris :)

Burial
County Glamorgan
Place Merthyr Tydfil
Church name St Mary Roman Catholic Church
Register type Transcript
Burial date 20 Jan 1915
Person age 41
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname DESMOND
Burial person abode Hospital

(also in Thomas Street, if relating)

Burial
County Glamorgan
Place Merthyr Tydfil
Church name St Mary Roman Catholic Church
Register type Transcript
Burial date 24 Mar 1922
Person age 70
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname DESMOND
Burial person abode Thomas St.


http://tinyurl.com/hj349sd

(articles for Bridget Cody above)

http://newspapers.library.wales/

Hi mary,

The family appeared to have stayed in the village and I am happy that Anastasia died in 1920. As I am happy with the death of Bridget Desmond I have closed that particular line.

The thing that is absolutely throwing me is the record of four births Desmond Mother maiden name Walsh and given as Bridget on the dedication.

Of course there IS the possibility that whoever worded the dedication got their facts wrong...not the first time, even found memorials for servicemen that survived and we all know there are many servicemen who have been omitted.

Thomas Desmond Oct 1914 nee Walsh married Kathleen Cusack 1947 and had two sons,one Dennis1948 died 1948 and one 1949 which is on here.
Thomas 1914 died 20/12/1989
Kathleen Desmond 19/11/1917 died 24/10/2003.

Maybe if you made contact he would give you more info regarding Denis.

Maryb.

The tree on Ancestry has Bridget Codey/Cody marrying Edward/John Desmond his parents Jeremiah 1831 Cork Ireland and Ellen 1836

No documents to prove either way but they have dates of son Jeremiah born 31/1/1910 he went on to marry Stella Hollingsworth in London 1948

Bridget 1888 died 29/5/1910 in Workhouse
John Desmond died 16/1/1915 workhouse
Anastasia died 21/1/1920 at 44, Thomas street which was the workhouse.

Maryb.

aaaargh!!!!! that's how I still feel this morning.

Facts as I have them:

John Desmond married Bridget Walsh 1908 and had 2 children, Anastasia and Jeremiah. There is a death for Bridget Desmond in 1910 (just a few weeks after Jeremiah was born).

On the 1911 census where John is shown with the young children he states he is a widower and I am happy that line finishes there.

The 1939 register for Long Row seems the most likely for Thomas Desmond (birth dates fit) and there is a John Desmond living there who's DOB fits in with Desmond/Walsh births in the village i.e. Dennis' brother.

Cannot find any enrolment papers for John Desmond which would give more info on his dependants. (still looking). The years whilst he was serving makes sense of the gaps in the childrens' birth years.

If John Desmond is the one born in Cork he was in Cork in 1901 with parents Jeremiah and Norah (Honora) as mary mentioned.

BUT I cannot for the life of me tie in a Bridget Walsh to a John Desmond to prove the commemoration dedication for Dennis.

I really appreciate your help.

Bridget Cody born 1888 died 1910 married April 1907 Merthyr Tydfil V11a P1231 to Edward Desmond
Is he the John Desmond widow in 1911 with Anastasia + Jeremiah.Anastasia an unusual name and happens to be the name of Bridget Cody's mum.

John Desmond married Bridget Walsh July 1908 V11a P1341.
Is he the one with wife Norah and could Norah actually be Bridget. No death for a Norah but one for Bridget Desmond in 1934.
Bridget Desmond born @ 1880 died Cardiff 1934 V11a P309.

All guess work but could be possible.

Mary b.

Only seeing below for Military...


(and not sure where John is 1901, could be on below, quite a few!)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

(1901/1911)

Chris :)

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 (Ancestry

All UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

John Desmond
Private Royal Irish Regiment 4887 British War Medal and Victory Medal

John Desmond
Private Royal Irish Regiment 4887 1914-15 Star

Rose at the moment trying to find which family is left in village. Going to try and get more details for John's service records

Thanks malyon, the Newport births wouldn't fit I'm afraid but I am open to all suggestions.

ATM I am working on the theory that John Desmond b. 08 Feb 1877 was born in Cork.The dates would fit the death in the village 1946.

Probably won't help at all, but just thinking if family have anything with John Desmond's handwriting on they could compare it to the two 1911 entries, as both signatures are quite distinctive?

is this family related

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
John Desmond
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name John Desmond
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Newport, St Woollos, Monmouthshire, Wales
Enumeration District 19
Gender Male
Age 20
Occupation Dock Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851
Birthplace Newport, Monmouthshire
Entry Number 7
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5346/0084
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Jeremiah Desmond Head M 50 Ireland
Mary Desmond Wife F 50 Ireland
Patrick Desmond Son M 24 Newport, Monmouthshire
John Desmond Son M 20 Newport, Monmouthshire
Daniel Desmond Son M 18 Newport, Monmouthshire
Hannah Desmond Daughter F 14 Newport, Monmouthshire
Jeremiah Desmond Son M 10 Newport, Monmouthshire
Denis Desmond Son M 8 Newport, Monmouthshire
Margaret Desmond Lodger F 58 Ireland

Me neither Rose.

This is one of the worst military names we have researched.

Absolutely nothing makes any sense if we are to base our research on what is on the record.

The memorial inscription for Dennis and the right birth record with Mother's maiden name Walsh.

I am truly going nuts with this.

I might make a guess that John and Norah were not actually married, there are a couple of Norah's who might be the daughter born around the right time in Bedwellty?

Nor can I find any death for a Norah Desmond born around 1882,

Thought...there is no birth that I can see for the Norah Desmond daughter born 1910 ish on the 1911 with mother Norah?


add there does not appear to be a marriage of a John Desmond to a Norah ( or variants)
1911 says that couple have been married 2 years

Mary, The Long Row 1911 and 1939 records make sense but how does Nora fit in?

The memorial def states that Dennis' Mother was Bridget.

So even if that John and Thomas on the 1939 register are correct (which seems likely) where is Bridget?

The only lead I have at the moment is if Nora died post 1911, John remarried a Bridget Walsh and she is redacted from the 1939.

Chris......my friend is looking at that John, thanks I had forgotten about him because my brain is absolutely addled trying to pin down the family on the memorial.

I'm not understanding this, is John with son Thomas in 1939 the same John with wife Norah in 1911 ??
Both addresses are the same are they not.
Or are neither your John
Looks like the son of Thomas 1914 has a tree on here .

Maryb

http://newtredegar-ww1.org.uk/html/d_-_other.htm

(John DESMOND 25 Long Row, New Tredegar
Private 4/4887, 1st Garrison, R I)

(relates somewhere?)

Chris :)

(Absent Voters, for above)

http://newtredegar-ww1.org.uk/

(Royal Irish Regiment Battalions of the Regular Army
1st Battalion)

Thank you for the replies.

Yes, that's Anastasia's death record.

So...... we are still stuck because....

the memorial states Den(n)is Desmond son of John and Bridget and his birth record gives Bridget's maiden name as Walsh.

The 1908 marriage of a Bridget Walsh to John Desmond which produces 2 children, she dies and that finishes that line, as referenced by the 1911 census and death record for her,

This means that we are still looking for a blasted marriage......somewhere, anywhere between a John Desmond and a Bridget Walsh other than the 1908 one which produced the 4 children.


*sobs gently*