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John Loft died 5th June, 1905 Waihi New Zealand aged 41 years, 35 years in New Zealand , Miner, married Catherine McNamara in 1899 Dunedin, looking for a birth certificate, on marriage certificate says born in Hull, Yorkshire, mother Annie Ferguson formerly Loft, formerly Thomas.

There is this birth but you would need the certificate from the GRO


Name:John Henry Loft

Registration Year:1868

Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec

Registration district:Hull

Volume:9d
Page:177

Don't think that's him Gins.


Name: John Henry Loft
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1868
Baptism Place: Holy Trinity,Kingston Upon Hull,York,England
Father: Robert Martcham Loft
Mother: Mary Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 0990833-5


As his mother also had surnames Ferguson and Thomas, his birth may be registered under one of those surnames.

There's always the possibility that his birth wasn't registered. It wasn't compulsary until 1873.

Annie Ferguson may have also been known as Hannah Moriah Wake born 1833 Hull, Yorkshire to Anthony and Hannah Moriah Wake. Hannah also went under the name of Annie Marie on some of her chiildrens birth certificate to John Ferguson. Hannah also married a Richard Huckle in Melbourne in 1854.

We do have one clue - he had a sister also - mentioned below:

Waihi Daily Telegraph, Volume VII, Issue 1960, 8 June 1907, Page 2

In Memorium

John Loft, the beloved husband of
Catherine Loft and brother of Mrs. Albert
Thompson, who was accidently killed,
Waihi mine, June 5th, 1905.

Gone from us leaving memories
death can never take away,
Memories that will linger with us
While on earth we stay

- Inserted by his loving wife and sister.

He apparently died in an horrific mining accident (also reported on Trove) leaving a wife and 3 young children (I assume you have their details?) - SO very sad!

Dea x

Yes the sister was Eliza, but have never been able to find a birth certificate, to prove that Hannah was his mother, are you able to tell me what was posted in the Trove.
thanks Dea

If you go here you can see the articles re the accident and a couple of memorial notices:

http://goo.gl/oNL4oG

Do you have the 3 childrens' birth details?

Dea x

Was his sister Eliza a Ferguson?

Is this her marriage in NZ?

1897/1266 Eliza Ferguson Albert Thompson

Do you know when and where she was born please?

Dea x

I don't have WW subs to be able to check out this birth.....

New Zealand Birth Index, 1840-1950
Name: Eliza Wake Ferguson
Birth Date: 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place: Arrow
Folio Number: 2171

from a tree on ancestry
Eiza
Birth
13 NOV 1875 • Arrowtown, Otago, New Zealand

1875

(AGE)
Birth of Sister Sarah Ann Shackles Ferguson(1877–)
22 SEP 1877 • Arrowtown, Otago, New Zealand

1877

1
Death of Father John Ferguson(1832–1884)
13 APR 1884 • Arrowtown, Otago, New Zealand

1884

8
Death of Mother Hannah Moriah Wake(1833–1915)
12 Nov 1915 • Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand

father -
John Ferguson

1832–1884

Birth 1832 • Morpeth, Northumberland, England

Death 13 APR 1884 • Arrowtown, Otago, New Zealand

1871 - Marriage
24 July 1871 • Arrowtown, Otago, New Zealand
Wedding was held at the house of Mr. Ferguson in Arrowtown
Hannah Moriah Wake



mother -
Hannah Moriah Wake
Hannah Moriah Wake

1833–1915

Birth 21 AUG 1833 • Holy Trinity Parish Hull

Death 12 NOV 1915 • Invercargill, Southland, New Zealand

nice photo attached to tree - tree owners comment


Ferguson, Loft family photo

Family photo unsure of date or location but think it may be around 1903 in Arrowtown. Photo is on file at Arrowtown Museum. On knee is Annie Loft, James Loft, John Loft, Mattie Forrest. Adults Left to right are Catherine Loft Nee McNamara, Hannah Moriah Ferguson formally Wake, Sarah Forrest formally Ferguson. Lady at the back is believed to be a sister of Catherine loft.

Dea, looks like you got the correct girl


Eliza Wake

Last name Ferguson

Registration year1875

Father's first name(s)John

Mother's first name(s)Hannah

Registration number1875/8850

Certificate ordering
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Record set New Zealand birth index

Thank you for checking out that birth Gins.

Thank you all for your time in looking into this for me...lets hope we can find a birth entry for John Loft.......married in the Roman Catholic church maybe the records may be registered in the Roman Catholic church. cheers

Thank you all for your time into looking for this information ....hopefully something may come through for the birth certificate for John Loft.....have not followed through with the thought that he may have been registered in a Roman Catholic church

Martin Thomas
Thanks Dea
would also like to find out information on Martin Thomas, he is listed as the father on my ggg grandmothers birth certificate he was a miner 30yrs, born England, my grandmother was born in Cardrona, New Zealand 1864 to Hannah nee Wake

This 'could' be him - he is not listed on 1861 census and his brother Walter ended up in Australia around 1870 ?

1851:
Name: Martin Thomas
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Thomas
Mother's name: Margaret Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: St Just, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Just in Penwith
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just
ED, institution, or vessel: 3e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 1919
Folio: 185
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Thomas 50
Margaret Thomas 50
Martin Thomas 19 Tin Miner
Benjamin Thomas 16
Mary Ann Thomas 14
Elizabeth Thomas 10
Louisa Thomas 7
Walter Thomas 5

NB Walter seems to have married Jane Angwin in 1869 and then they went to Victoria, Australia ?

What was the name of your ggg grandmother born in 1864 please?

Dea x

EDIT - I see that it was Elizabeth Maria who was born in 1864. (I have been reading your article in the Queenstown Courier ) :

http://www.queenstownhistoricalsociety.org.nz/2014%20Winter%2091.pdf

VERY interesting !!!

Dea x

Day Month 31-Jul
Year 1869
Parish Or Reg District Just in Penwith, St.
Groom Fn Walter Edmond
Groom Sn THOMAS
Groom Age 23
Groom Residence Newhouse
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession miner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name Benjamin THOMAS
Groom Father Rank Profession miner
Bride Fn Jane
Bride Sn ANGWIN
Bride Age 19
Bride Residence Newhouse
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name Charles ANGWIN
Bride Father Rank Profession grocer
Banns / Licence (B/L) banns
Witness Fn1 Charles
Witness Sn1 Angwin
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 Thomas

Baptism
Day Month 11-Oct
Year 1845
Parish Or Reg District Just in Penwith, St.
Forename Walter Edmund
Surname THOMAS
Sex
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Tregaseal
Father Rank Profession miner


Day Month 24-Sep
Year 1826
Parish Or Reg District Ludgvan
Groom Fn Benjamin
Groom Sn THOMAS
Groom Age
Groom Residence OTP
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M)
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Margaret
Bride Sn EDMONDS
Bride Age
Bride Residence OTP
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M)
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Willm
Witness Sn1 EDMONDS
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 ROWE


Baptism
Day Month 04-Dec
Year 1831
Parish Or Reg District Ludgvan
Forename Martin
Surname THOMAS
Sex son
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Ludgvan
Father Rank Profession Miner
Notes born 20 Novr.


(probably more on family, below links)

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Walter E
Last name Thomas
Age 23
Birth year 1846
Arrival year 1869
Arrival month Nov
Arrival port Melbourne
Ship name Glenmark
State Victoria
(with Jane, occ. Miner)

Thanks heaps for the above information, any chance of finding a death certificate for Martin Thomas, which if you do I'll purchase to check out any more children or if he married....thank you all for your time.

(have you checked on below?)

Chris :)

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(NZ Newspapers)


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792

(New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)


https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

(Archives New Zealand)


New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 (Ancestry)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(Australia Newspapers)


edits

14 October 1859 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

West Penwith Justices Petty Sessions
On Wednesday last, before D. P. Le Grice, John St. Aubyn, M. P., and T. S. Bolitho, Esqs., and the Rev. John Tonkin. - Martin Thomas, of St Just, miner, complained of by P. C. 102 ; James Nicholls, of North St. Just, miner, complained of by the same officer, were fined 5s. each and costs for drunkenness.


(Brother Benjamin went to America)